herbivore v carnivore?

[altezon]

Nice altezon... I've never heard of adhesive cardboard for mice.

They're called 'trays', about 5x7 in. (20x30 cm.) . The makers recommend tossing the trapped mouse in the trash.

[billy]

so what makes it okay to kill some insects or rodents but not mammals, apart from making them extinct?
i like the cardboard as well. unless when you pull them off you leave their feet behind

[srijantje]

it doesn't make it o.k.

[billy]

right and thats my point. vegans won't eat any kind of meat or kill an animal but it's only buddists that don't kill anything (i think) apart from letting the afflicted die. (again i think)
every one else will swat a bug as soon as look at it. oh look, a cockroach, "die you bastard" the vegan often says as they stomp it's brains out

[srijantje]

my stand on this is as follows
you wanna eat meat,eat away,doesn't make anybody a bad person in my view,torture animals does though.
not eating meat is just a personal thing,it doesn't mean more or less than that.the rest is blabla.
ofcourse buddhists eat meat.

[altezon]

so what makes it okay to kill some insects or rodents but not mammals, apart from making them extinct?
i like the cardboard as well. unless when you pull them off you leave their feet behind

I don't think anyone has made the distinction between insects and mammals (rodents are mammals too). The point is to respect any life enough not to take it carelessly or needlessly.

As a mouse struggles to free his feet from an adhesive tray his whole body gets stuck, but careful peeling won't even cost him any fur. A more expensive trap might be more humane, but these cost only a few cents apiece and are very effective.

[kath3]

I agree also, it doesn't make it right. We as humans have an indepth disreguard and disrespect for the life-force beheld by all living creatures and insects.
When I was pursuing vegetarianism I learned about a group of folks called Fruitarians who only eat fruit, nuts and seeds, without any animal products. Strict fruitarians will only eat what falls naturally from a plant to avoid killing it. There are some who take it still to another level and avoid honey as well, knowing that harvesting honey puts undue stress on the bees.
To walk within this life style one would have to operate from a much higher level of consciouness ... a walk I wish I had the fortitude for, I do appreciate and respect it, but would find it difficult, or maybe I'm just lazy and disrespectful.
I don't see eating animals as a bad thing ... gosh how would the Inuit survive? And I myself do occasionally enjoy a little chicken and fish. What I do vehmently disagree with are the conditions we hold animals in, and I hate trophy hunters.

[altezon]

We as humans have an indepth disreguard and disrespect for the life-force beheld by all living creatures and insects.

Nah, we humans are cool because some of us do care.

[billy]

some but as you said, some, re the slaughtering conditions of many animals couldn't care less, and most don't even think about how they die.

i'ad agree that some are cool and some just don't give toss.

[mrmod]

The ones that don't give a toss are the ones found up in those meat companies.

[billy]

the thing many people find offensive and i have to be honest and say i'm not they; is the very fact that they are bred just for food. just to be slaughtered and eaten.

while i have no problem eating farm reared (domesticated) animals. i do think the land and farming could be better utilized as shown in the source for the energy input to the calorific output of certain meats. and also in relationship to the methane output of cowshit and pigshit etc.
if the fact they were born to feed us makes it okay. why not breed humans to eat? it would surely solve the over populating. everything after one kid gets eaten.

[billy]

i love that you misspelt breeding into breading
i don't care as long as they're meaty as well. and let's not turn them into soylent green either. is cannibalism such a bad thing ?

on the fries thing. do spuds squeal in agony when they get butchered?
do spuds spend all their lives being force fed without being allowed to move or lay down. ( yes, i realised what i typed as i typed it but you know what i mean )

[kimsmarkin]

Carnivore teeth are long, sharp and pointed. These are the tools that are useful for piercing the meat business. The man, like other vegetarians are not pointy teeth, but flat cut. These are useful for ripping, crushing and grinding. Herbivores need much energy to stay alive. Many of them, like cows and sheep, eat all day. It would be a lot of plants in their ecosystem, which supports herbivores.

[billy]

yes but humans are actually omnivore with both cutting and crushing capabilities

[kath3]

Food Inc.(2008)
94 min. Documentary

10/10

Food Inc. @ TPB

I just finished watching this documentary and decided to resurrect this thread.
While watching it all I could think of was how shameful we are ... so very, very shameful.
It also encouraged me to become more diligent with my walk on this planet.
I wish I were financially wealthy ... I would hire a company to mass produce this doc and mail it out to every household. We need a major wake-up call. (I know, I just said two bad words, wealthy and mass produce ... ok three bad words)

Quote:
Food Inc. is not a smack on the head documentary, rather it offers some
hope that things can be made better through grassroots efforts.
Food, Inc. is a practical film that speaks with the voices of farmers, advocates, and journalists,
and focuses on food, what's wrong with it, and what we can do about it.
I encourage you to watch it ... you will not be disappointed.

[billy]

am downloading it now, will watch it tonight maybe.

does it show how the fast food chains like macdonalds reclaim meat?

[kath3]

am downloading it now, will watch it tonight maybe.

does it show how the fast food chains like macdonalds reclaim meat?

Yes, they do touch on that. It's an excellent doc, not at all heavy handed. There were some animal scences that I struggled with but nothing like what you would see in P.E.T.A doc. ... those I absolutely cannot watch. I definitely believe you will enjoy this one.

[billy]

i watched it and some of the stuff was pretty eye opening.
i thought parts of it weak, (the mother whose child died) and would have suited a separate program. ) but on the whole it was pretty damming of the food industry, it also seemed fair and impartial as much as could be expected. loved the guy who ran a natural farm where cattle feed on grass, his philosophy made a lot of sense.

will i still eat meat? yes, sadly i like the taste of it too much. it would be be nice to think the meat i ate was was farmed in a good way but after seeing the documentary it's hard to expect.

what blew me away was the corn fructose and the subsidisation of corn