herbivore v carnivore?

[srijantje]

it might be classier but not as much,i wonder how many goats you need to get the same amount of shit as from 1 cow

[billy]

i've no idea but the source you gave said goats sheep cows etc use lots more energy to generate 1 kilo of meat than chickens etc.

[altezon]

it might be classier but not as much,i wonder how many goats you need to get the same amount of shit as from 1 cow

I'd say ~15 goats per cow.

[billy]

not on about wild animals etc sj. just the large mass produced ones.
i can't see a few wild yaks or angoras would make a difference.

[kath3]

i do like meat. and have to be honest and say i don't think about the slaughtering of the animals when i eat it. i have been inside a slaughter house back in the day and it was gruesome. i should be more thoughtful when it comes to choosing what i eat but i'm selfish

Most people don't think about the slaughtering of animals or the horrific living conditions they live in or the gruesome deaths they endure to sustain us ... if people did there would be many more vegetarians.
Our meat is so politely packaged that most people don't even see meat as an animal.

It's more difficult to eat healthy being a vegetarian, isn't it? Meat contains all the essential amino acids necessary to construct
human protein, but vegetables always lack one or another so that they have to be combined intelligently to complement each other.

Actually this is incorrect. Quinoa (kinwa) often thought of as a grain is actually a seed and therefore contains no gluten. It's considered a super food because it is a complete protein, containing 8 essential amino acids making it an excellent meat substitute in vegetarian dishes. I use it in much the same way as rice.

by the way,over here they're really hard to grow without poison ,they get attacked by caterpillars and aphids so i gave up on them[growing them i mean]

srijantje, here's a great way to grow them without poison.
Go to a fabric store and buy some crinoline ... it's cheap, at least here in Canada. Cover your rows of brocolli, cabbage, and cauliflower with it. The sun and rain are able to get through but will not weigh down too heavily on the plants and break them. It's great for keeping the cabbage moth out. I use garden pins to hold it in place, stones will work as well.
The other positive part is that it is re-useable year after year. For us it also works great to keep the deer from nibbling.

... and classier manure.

I like that ... "classier manure" Plus you don't end up with all the weeds as you do from cow/horse dung, and you can place it right around the plants without burning them.

[billy]

'kath3' ]
Most people don't think about the slaughtering of animals or the horrific living conditions they live in or the gruesome deaths they endure to sustain us ... if people did there would be many more vegetarians.
Our meat is so politely packaged that most people don't even see meat as an animal.

thats true of me, i just pick it off the shelf. if it wasn't available i'd prob eat what was and in doing so, eat less meat. sadly while it is available i'm an omnivore .

kath;
Actually this is incorrect. Quinoa (kinwa) often thought of as a grain is actually a seed and therefore contains no gluten. It's considered a super food because it is a complete protein, containing 8 essential amino acids making it an excellent meat substitute in vegetarian dishes. I use it in much the same way as rice.

is that the same stuff as quorn?

[altezon]

It's more difficult to eat healthy being a vegetarian, isn't it? Meat contains all the essential amino acids necessary to construct
human protein, but vegetables always lack one or another so that they have to be combined intelligently to complement each other.

Actually this is incorrect. Quinoa (kinwa) often thought of as a grain is actually a seed and therefore contains no gluten. It's considered a super food because it is a complete protein, containing 8 essential amino acids making it an excellent meat substitute in vegetarian dishes. I use it in much the same way as rice.

I wasn't aware. I'm wondering how the specific essential amino acids (EAA's) occur as a percentage of the protein, in comparison
to the human 'recommended daily amount' (RDA). One might guess that animal protein was significantly closer than a single vegetable.

How's the taste and digestibility?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinoa#Nutritional_value
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_a...ly_amounts

[kath3]

No, not at all ... I just finished reading about quorn and found it interesting, I'll check into it further.
Quinoa is a seed and used as a cereal or like rice.

In case you're interested
http://www.saltspringseeds.com/scoop/powerfood.htm
http://www.quinoa.net/

[altezon]

Remarkable.

[kath3]

I wasn't aware. I'm wondering how the specific essential amino acids (EAA's) occur as a percentage of the protein, in comparison
to the human 'recommended daily amount' (RDA). One might guess that animal protein was significantly closer than a single vegetable.

How's the taste and digestibility?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinoa#Nutritional_value
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_a...ly_amounts

It's extremely digestible, very easy on the stomach.
The taste is very similar to rice ... slightly nutty but it must be rinsed to remove the bitter resin-like coating, which is called saponin.

Quinoa and amaranth both contain about 16 percent protein, E and B vitamins, calcium, iron and phosphorous.
You can read more here http://www.saltspringseeds.com/scoop/powerfood.htm

I'll give your 2nd link a read through tomorrow as it's getting late here ... and thanks.

[srijantje]

well i'can't get quinoa here,doesn't it come from south america originally?
i actually never thought of covering my cauliflower and cabbage,the worst enemy here are hundreds of white butterflys who hit the scene for a short period of time,they lay eggs[yellow]on the underside of the leaves.
as soon as i start living back at the farm i'll give covering a go

[kath3]

well i'can't get quinoa here,doesn't it come from south america originally?
i actually never thought of covering my cauliflower and cabbage,the worst enemy here are hundreds of white butterflys who hit the scene for a short period of time,they lay eggs[yellow]on the underside of the leaves.
as soon as i start living back at the farm i'll give covering a go

Yes it does come from South America.
Those white butterflies that you see are actually cabbage moths that affect all brassicaceae.
You'll be amazed at how well crinoline deters them. A few will find their way under the fabric but they are easy to squish. During the heat of the day I do a go-a-round and nab the few that get caught in the netting (crinoline).

[srijantje]

thanks for the tip

[kath3]

thanks for the tip

your most welcome.

[billy]

i'll see if i can get any Quinoa here in the philippines.
thanks for the info.

i have a question, kath said "just squish the few that crawl under the crinoline" meaning the moths. are we any more entitled to squish a moth's life out as we are a cow's life? and yes i would squish them out should i have the chance

it just seems bugs and insects get the raw end of the stick when it comes to herbivores

[kath3]

i have a question, kath said "just squish the few that crawl under the crinoline" meaning the moths. are we any more entitled to squish a moth's life out as we are a cow's life? and yes i would squish them out should i have the chance

it just seems bugs and insects get the raw end of the stick when it comes to herbivores

You're absolutely right billy. For the most part I am compassionate towards insects.
A few years back we were having some problems with our strawberry patch ... a large percentage were being partially eaten and I thought the culprits were the birds so I covered the plants with the same crinloine. Because I love a weed free garden (to the point of being anal about it) I get down on my hands and knees and hand rake the rows and around the plants. With the hand raking I was uncovering from the dirt these little black beetles and gently moving them out of the way so not to harm them. Within three seasons our strawberry patch was being wipped out. One day I discovered that it were these little black beetles that I was rescueing that were the true culprits. The first few that I squished just about made me sick literally ... yuk ... just the sound and feel of their bodies crushing was enough to make me heave. I've gotten over it now and squish away. I once again have a beautiful strawberry patch.
I walk a lot and always rescue worms from the road or any type of beetle. Houseflies, mosquitos and ants (if their in my house) die. Spiders are always caught and put outside.
When it comes to eating our food, or hurting me ... I kill.

[altezon]

I'm careful about what I kill too.

[srijantje]

rats and mice,if they get in,get the chop,also flies and moquito's,that's about it
i had to look up dipters,but yes that counts for me as well

[altezon]

I've never had rats. If I see mouse droppings I narrow his path so he can't avoid an adhesive cardboard baited with peanut butter. I can peel him off easily without harm & put him outside.

[kath3]

Nice altezon... I've never heard of adhesive cardboard for mice. We have two cats so I leave the mice to them.