Freedom of expression in Poetry.

[Truerenigma]

All I'm saying it's that, for those of us who love the craft, and are looking to keep improving our craft, it's probably best that we focus on the craft itself.

[milo]

All I'm saying it's that, for those of us who love the craft, and are looking to keep improving our craft, it's probably best that we focus on the craft itself.

The debate only occurs in poetry. If someone picked up the violin yesterday and posted their first concerto today it would be awful and the recommendation would be to practice and study the craft.

Poetry is way harder than the violin.

[billy]

it only seems like i take it up the arse. i am fine with muse as long as it's kept to oneself. your muse is not and will not ever be mine.

[ChristopherSea]

it only seems like i take it up the arse. i am fine with muse as long as it's kept to oneself. your muse is not and will not ever be mine.

Agreed, for some of us, this is a oneway street. Everybody keep your respective muse up you own arse. Sharing of muses is highly unsanitary.

[billy]

What's pretentious is thinking that everything you write comes from your conscious mind. Call it being vs Being, the self vs the Self, egoism vs God conscious, or inspiration vs the mundane, I don't really care, but if you have read any philosophy from the last 3000 years or so, that is primarily what has been debated (except for Kant of course, who killed the muse, and then the modernist who killed it again, and then the post modernist who killed everything else because they don't want anyone to be better than anyone else). And no, I don't go into a trance and channel the muse. I am very conscious of when and what I am writing, but it is also true that I am not purposefully thinking up stuff to write about like an argument paper.

Like I said many times before you can call it what you want, but little pee-brains can only take pot shots at the word "muse" (humor excluded). If it was good enough for the Greeks, it's good enough for me (and should be for Billy since he likes taking it up the ass so much). Blake called it the "Imagination" a wellspring much larger than ourselves. But I understand. If you have no soul, the idea of muse would seem very foreign and other-worldly...like science fiction.

Dale

pray who said every thing we write comes from the conscious mind? imagination is something i thrive on, i don't however see it as my or a muse. muse is used as form of currency on poetry sites. the more you use, have. or lose it, the wealthier you are as a poet. personally i see the word used, banded about the more to show one's a poet than as a symbol for imagination or anything else. sadly most of those who use it in a such ubiquitous ways are those who seem to have the least amount of whatever the muse is. so yes i find it and the use of it "the muse" poet speak for " look how clever i am, was, should be, or must be. one may as well say i have no imagination. hang i can't continue, my muse has just fucked off for a minute......okay it's back. on one hand the academe are all shits and on the other my muse say i must write thus...

i think i would rather take a stiff one up the arse than talk such rubbish. give me a minute while i rinse out the ring.

[Erthona]

Well see, there you go, arguing with something I didn't say. I said you can call it whatever you want just don't say art/poetry is a purely conscious endeavor.
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So lets have a poll to find a word that everyone is comfortable with, that carries no negative connotations to call that non-conscious part of the mind that writes most of the poetry (although it leaves the editing mostly top the conscious mind).

I vote for "The Billy!"

Just don't call me a poet
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McArthur Park

…McArthur Park,
left most poets stranded in the dark,
or in the process of getting raped,
gangbanged on a first blind date,
or maybe you’d prefer a prune,
if in your mind you have the room,
one is much the same as the other,
as close as a sister to a brother,
either way it hurts a little bit,
who with any sense would admit
to having poetry in his blood,
just to be tarred in shit and mud!
Imagine what people would say,
you might as well say you’re gay!
Didn’t really matter, they’re gonna beat
the holy fuck out of you either way.
Queer poet, poet queer, what do you
want for lunch, Beaver? Dear!
Says she when not talking jive,
inside an airplane in a dive.
Give that girl another slap,
then she’ll learn to shut her trap,
Who does she think she is,
some kind of poet, out on a lark,
I’ve a gun, a chain, and a knife if she gets ideas,
even I’ve heard McArthur Park!
But then all you need do is look at the source,
a low point in the career of a man called horse.

[Leanne]

Bristling Billy the porcupine,
A person that nobody liked,
Sinking a shaft on an ant-bed mine,
Came on a burrowing lizard's line,
And the lizard was badly spiked.
"You're a blundering fool," said the snake's half-brother -
And that was how one thing led to another.

-- from The Diggers by A. B. Paterson

Sure, the "Billy" will work.

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The Muse is a whore, a churl, a bore,
a packet of crisps on the shelf --
instead of a name for some trumped-up dame
just admit that you've played with yourself

[Carousal]

I had a bet you would say Billycan------ I lost, you owe me a five---- bloody Australians.

[Leanne]

I thought about it

[Erthona]

Leanne

Please list in the rules for new cumers
so they make no faux pas,
that nary a mention can be made
of a muse, moose, or god.
Henceforth all inspiration comes
from that evil little sod,
who spurts poetry from his willy
we all bow down and call his name
that great hose, "The Billy!"

[Truerenigma]

Leanne

Please list in the rules for new cumers
so they make no faux pas,
that nary a mention can be made
of a muse, moose, or god.
Henceforth all inspiration comes
from that evil little sod,
who spurts poetry from his willy
we all bow down and call his name
that great hose, "The Billy!"

Oh, you and they can say whatever y'all want.

I don't actually write poems. I just jot down whatever my talking goose says. So, if they suck, don't blame me - blame God, he made the Goose!

And actually his words are holy so you're probably better off not criticizing them at all.

[billy]

my name is sacrosanct, and may not be softly uttered...or shouted out loud uttered. you may however call it the bollocks. form this point on i hate everyone of you all :J:

i'm thinking all that's left for the thread is mockery and quips, on that note i'd say this thread was a good template for a good thread. despite taking it up the arse from dale

[Erthona]

That fucking Dale, always ruining something good. I'd ban the buttheaded asshole if I were you!

[billy]

he's as valid as any other bast....ion of the poetry site and i doubt he'd ever get banned, buggered maybe, banned not likely.

[ChristopherSea]

he's as valid as any other bast....ion of the poetry site and i doubt he'd ever get banned, buggered maybe, banned not likely.

Well, you could have banned his muse at least.

[Carousal]

You could ban it on the assumption that it’s a cliché,after all the word is a bit overused in the poetry word and as cliché’s seem to be breeding like rabbits one more won’t make much difference.

[Erthona]

"Well, you could have banned his muse at least."

Hey, we're not suppose to use that word anymore!

[rayheinrich]

[Erthona]

Duck!

[Truerenigma]

Duck!

That, sir, is a goose.