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What are you saying, we're only allowed to give negative feedback? Am I being rused here?
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(07-08-2013, 08:21 AM)hardon Wrote: What are you saying, we're only allowed to give negative feedback? Am I being rused here?
Say you liked it but say exactly why. Read through the whole poem 4 or 5 times ( I do 10) and note everything! The author needs to know /what/ you like about it.
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Oh right, man I'm slow today. I guess when all you wanna do is post then criting becomes a chore so people just type something real quick to get it done with. It sucks but what you gon' do, people suck
Just give it time and they'll realize this is a give and take community
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07-08-2013, 08:48 AM
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sadly it doesn't work that way, if they get away with it, they don't stop.
we love people who like the poetry here, and if they give feedback we love them to say why, what lines worked for them, how it made them feel, what they thought was good enjambment and why. always why.
at any given time we have a couple of mods on the site, they want to post as well as everyone else, they don't want to be chasing lazy people all over the site. as for posting then critiquing, the rules are crit then post a poem. there' up all over the site. there's really no excuse.
at present for some, it's a take take community
i just had a quick look and your feedback is acceptable 
all we ask is that people at least try to give reasonable feedback,
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She got naked and asked "how do I get in it?"
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07-08-2013, 02:42 PM
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(07-08-2013, 01:51 PM)R.C. KITCHENS Wrote: I got to admit sometimes feedback is hard to offer on some pieces. Especially since I dont understand Villanelles or iambic meter that well.
Not understanding form is ok -- giving feedback and sometimes being corrected is a good way to learn too  But even if you don't know the form, there are other things to comment on. A poem that relies only on its form is a pretty poor poem. (And that's a perfectly acceptable thing to say to someone)
The problem with crap feedback is an eternal one -- a bigger problem that I've noticed recently is people being completely incapable of accepting that they're not perfect.
You don't say thank you for the praise and fuck you to everyone who doesn't fawn. Criticism, positive or negative, is a gift.
And you definitely don't impress anyone by trying to claim to be so much better than the people who are doing you a favour by reading your poems and offering their opinion. Grow the fuck up.
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i say just ban people like that, or ask them to fuck off, i'm speaking as a member now cos if i were speaking as a mod i'd be banning and not talking about. so what if someone got your poem wrong, grow up. on the flip side of the coin we do have some great new members who post feedback, join in discussions and generally act good all round, to them i say thank 
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(07-08-2013, 03:30 PM)billy Wrote: i say just ban people like that, or ask them to fuck off, i'm speaking as a member now cos if i were speaking as a mod i'd be banning and not talking about. so what if someone got your poem wrong, grow up. on the flip side of the coin we do have some great new members who post feedback, join in discussions and generally act good all round, to them i say thank There is at least one reader/member (and I suspect more) who is (are) diligently trying to learn about meter, word economy, effective metaphor utilization, recognition and avoidance of clichés, obscurity, critiquing, etc. ... and, well, speaking for myself, I am reluctant to participate because (again it seems to me) that there is little tolerance for growing pains that are a natural consequence of trying to learn something new. Having said that, I am resilient and will read a lot, critique only when I feel as though I can offer substance (vs. support) and post less until I feel as though my critiquing is sufficient to warrant "reads" from fellow members. This is a well designed, very informative and well moderated and maintained site. Maybe I feel the way I do by design.
Share with me one thing, you (plural) of many stars ... why was my poem Verse-atility (mild critique forum) shunned -- like a terminal by one of Brad Pitt's zombies in WWZ? Was I already identified and categorized as not contributing enough, is my poetry too conventional and not cryptic enough, or ... did it hit a nerve?
That isn't a good way to end a exchange with members I mostly respect and (again,[/i] mostly) admire. So I will say "cheers!"
Are most of you guys British (or subjects or former subjects) of the [i]crown[i]? That wasn't really a good question ... I guess once, long ago, we were.
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07-26-2013, 07:24 AM
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shunned  i'll have to take a look but on the face of it it could be a number of things,
it was simply not gotten to (many poems pass by without someone seeing it)
i couldn't be bothered giving feedback cos i was doing something else.
poems don't really hit nerves, specially poems that aim to hit nerves (as you impy with one )
if verse-atility is the only poem of yours that's shunned you're very fuckin' lucky, i started the forum and many of mine have not only been shunned but shit upon as well. :J:
but i shall take a look and see why it was passed over by me at least.
i'm back.
and yes, as the song goes, "i remember it well"
i gave two examples above, there is a third of which i was hoping this was not.
the poem has too much wrong with it to be in mild or serious. i'm averse to moving poetry to novice unless it's an absolute novice poem. your poem has enough wrong with it that picking out 1 or 2 points wouldn't be fair, and picking out all of them may have been too much...(heartbreaking even) and i don't say that in a mocking way. i've posted many spoems of similar stature in my time. but i'll give it some feedback now.
but you asked why i never left a reply so now i have and may i say, i regret doing so with all my heart. you have written much better poetry than verse-atility
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(07-26-2013, 07:13 AM)fim Wrote: why was my poem Verse-atility (mild critique forum) shunned
If I may, the nature of Internet forums is such that when people reply to posts they are 'bumped' to the top of the stack. Generally it works to keep the current discussions accessible, but sometimes it also pushes threads out of site.
If your thread isn't getting posted in (I haven't looked at it at all) then it could just be that the day you posted it a lot of other threads were created or 'bumped' and yours got hidden-- I don't know what bumping rules apply here (or have forgotten) but generally it is like a week to bump a thread.
Ask billy, I am retired :p
And I am just trying to help.
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we're okay with bumping your own thread if it hasn't had many replies. 5 days to a week would be okay with me, we don't have any hard and fast rule as long as the bumping isn't abused
What if someone in the Pig's Arse keeps bumping your old poems till you get over 70 replies?
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07-26-2013, 09:48 AM
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(07-26-2013, 09:34 AM)rowens Wrote: What if someone in the Pig's Arse keeps bumping your old poems till you get over 70 replies?
that.s fine though it would be a bit boring
(07-26-2013, 07:13 AM)fim Wrote: speaking for myself, I am reluctant to participate because (again it seems to me) that there is little tolerance for growing pains that are a natural consequence of trying to learn something new. Having said that, I am resilient and will read a lot, critique only when I feel as though I can offer substance (vs. support)
my favourite poets are those who noticeably wish to learn. and yes there are growing pains, i know because i went through the same thing. most poets do.
you can always, always offer substance in feedback or crit. no one is asking for the perfect poem or the perfect critique...in truth they're both elusive bastards that only a few can control with any kind of craft. if you just say how it affects you or doesn't affect you and why, then you're giving substance. at present i'm editing a poem, after feedback from here, i think i'm on my third edit. it still won't be perfect and it won't be perfect after my final edit but it will be better. and guess what, if it isn't, i'll edit the bugger again. i'll never be the poet leanne milo todd and others are but i will be a better poet. i've been told that my feedback crit is sometimes erratic and that i'm not constant in how or what i say.
they were/are correct, i try and do the best i can, though it may not be great, it may help, taken with all the other feedback, i'm sure it would help. it may help because everyone says the opposite and the poet discards what i say. each thing the poet does adds to their arsenal.
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(07-26-2013, 09:32 AM)billy Wrote: we're okay with bumping your own thread if it hasn't had many replies. 5 days to a week would be okay with me, we don't have any hard and fast rule as long as the bumping isn't abused
you can also surreptitiously add a few edit and then respond to it saying "edited" which bumps it but looks innocent enough . . .
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good point.
which reminds me, i have a bu...edit to do soon.
the idea i think is that we all learn from each other. we learn how to accept and not accept feedback, we learn how to edit and sometimes when not to edit. we learn that sometimes, the most important thing we do, be it feedback or writing, is participate, the reading as much as you can is a given
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(07-26-2013, 10:41 AM)milo Wrote: you can also surreptitiously add a few edit and then respond to it saying "edited" which bumps it but looks innocent enough . . .
* Wildcard has never edited one word in a poem and called it a revision :p
Seriously though, if the poem gets no comments after a bump, that is feedback in itself-- and maybe not feedback on the poem either. Someone who never tries to contribute may be getting some feedback on giving some feedback
* Wildcard needs to give more feedback
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have you done any poetry of late
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