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the only issue i have with my crit is people just tearing it apart with little to no explanation why they are posting. it is like they are trolling just to say negative things, which i find absurd. In turn i end up deleting a bit of my work, which i did get at least a giggle out of. I understand this site is for positive poetic growth, but bad crit is bad crit. and negativing without any evidence is just bad point making, which in turns makes it impossible to improve from. with that said. meh
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(07-27-2013, 01:53 AM)Bunx Wrote: the only issue i have with my crit is people just tearing it apart with little to no explanation why they are posting. it is like they are trolling just to say negative things, which i find absurd. In turn i end up deleting a bit of my work, which i did get at least a giggle out of. I understand this site is for positive poetic growth, but bad crit is bad crit. and negativing without any evidence is just bad point making, which in turns makes it impossible to improve from. with that said. meh
I guess part of the learning curve must also have an element of being able to not only take the hard truths when they are offered but then also to be able to let some comments flow past without letting them irke you. You have sort of given yourself an answer in your comment, in that if someone has posted a negative without any qualifing explanation then it is probably best to wait n see if a similar comment is made with an explanation before any action is taken. I know that it is sometimes the case that only one view is offered, but when i am not convinced about a crit i tend to park the poem for editing another day.
I'm constantly amazed at what looking at something with fresh eyes in a couple of weeks will do for my appreciation of a poem.... a poem I thought was ok when i first wrote it usually look rubbish and in need of a serious overhaul. 
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You're right bunx, bad crit is bad crit. Just because someone doesn't like something in your poem, they're not necessarily right. They might just be trolling, or having a bad day, or not reading it very well, or terminally stupid. Critics should at least try to be balanced... although sometimes it's very hard to find something positive to say about some poems  . On the other hand, sometimes it's almost impossible to find something negative to say about some poems, though that's very much more unusual. In either case, evidence is the key.
Always look at the "credentials" of your critics. How much do they really know about poetry? What's their usual habit? Are they ever supportive, or are they just nasty bastards who love to tell people what to do (or not do)? Just like you wouldn't take fitness tips from John Goodman, don't take poetry tips from someone who writes badly enough to make your eyes bleed.
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(07-27-2013, 05:18 AM)Leanne Wrote: [...]don't take poetry tips from someone who writes badly enough to make your eyes bleed.
There you have it ladies and gents, I am exempt from giving critique/feedback 
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(07-27-2013, 10:23 AM)Wildcard Wrote: (07-27-2013, 05:18 AM)Leanne Wrote: [...]don't take poetry tips from someone who writes badly enough to make your eyes bleed.
There you have it ladies and gents, I am exempt from giving critique/feedback
well, you're not exempt from giving it, we are exempt from reading it!!
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Why can't we have a critique critique forum?
Let people post their critique and have it rated by the poetry mods-- no repercussions, just for edu-fun-acation?
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(07-27-2013, 10:58 AM)Wildcard Wrote:
Why can't we have a critique critique forum?
Let people post their critique and have it rated by the poetry mods-- no repercussions, just for edu-fun-acation?
I would love to do something along these lines. As a note, some of the other sites have, in addition to a spotlighting the "poems" section like we have, a spotlighting the critiques section, where particularly good critique is called out, so others can see, aspire, learn, etc.
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(07-27-2013, 11:04 AM)milo Wrote: (07-27-2013, 10:58 AM)Wildcard Wrote:
Why can't we have a critique critique forum?
Let people post their critique and have it rated by the poetry mods-- no repercussions, just for edu-fun-acation?
I would love to do something along these lines. As a note, some of the other sites have, in addition to a spotlighting the "poems" section like we have, a spotlighting the critiques section, where particularly good critique is called out, so others can see, aspire, learn, etc.
I've seen that too. I think the vanity poetry.com keeps count of the critiques you have given. That might be a useful tool.
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I have some really horrible stuff I'd be glad to donate that people would have plenty of ammo for critique
I think it would be fun-- I often think 'What would Leanne say of my critique if she were critiquing it?'
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hahaha some comments make me le giggle! i do agree. sometimes i feel like a few things i write are just as absurd as i want them to be. absurdity, hard to crit
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Can we spotlight the truly bad poems?
I'll be there in a minute.
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07-30-2013, 05:16 PM
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(07-27-2013, 11:12 AM)Wildcard Wrote: I have some really horrible stuff I'd be glad to donate that people would have plenty of ammo for critique
I think it would be fun-- I often think 'What would Leanne say of my critique if she were critiquing it?'
some of mine is atrocious.  i's be scared for some of them to be paraded around
(07-30-2013, 05:08 PM)newsclippings Wrote: Can we spotlight the truly bad poems?
it would be overly cruel i think, though lots of fun. i'd say the feedback a poem get gives a hint to its quality.
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(07-30-2013, 05:16 PM)billy Wrote: some of mine is atrocious. i's be scared for some of them to be paraded around
Unfortunately I was slow to learn not to post everything in public. So yeah, if you want to see my horrible poetry you simply need to sort by date
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(07-30-2013, 05:08 PM)newsclippings Wrote: Can we spotlight the truly bad poems?
Yeh, send 'em in, news!Send 'em in
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i just posted one of mine in milo's forum (i feel so ashamed) i'm hoping i can get help to knock it into shape) or to have someone say "it's beyond mentoring"
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I think the mentoring idea/forum is a good one and will benefit both parties. I am willing to put one of my broken poems therein. I believe that some folks take criticism too much to heart and need to realize it is more a matter of the poem and not the poet being critiqued. However, our reviews should point out the better merits of the poem in addition to the problem areas. Finally, if you don't like some word choices or phrases in someone’s piece, suggest some alternatives./Chris
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Heh. His name is Hardon. Like hard on. Get it? Heh.
I'll be there in a minute.
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"Can we spotlight the truly bad poems? "
It would be unfair, the newbs would win nearly ever time, and the rest of us would hardly have a shot at it.
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05-05-2014, 06:03 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-05-2014, 06:04 PM by billy.)
no we cannot spotlight the truly bad poems. often they're from those new to poetry. it would be churlish and inconsiderate to do such a thing. the forum's here to promote poetry, not destroy it. you may cut new bum holes in my poetry by all means but leave the newbs alone :J:
christophersea;
i agree some/ many take feedback to heart, i can understand why to a point, it can't be easy seeing something you've built torn down. the thick skin comes with understanding and wanting to improve. on that score the mentoring is a good thing, most of all honest feedback with a bit of compassion is the name of the game for thick skins.
(05-05-2014, 11:38 AM)newsclippings Wrote: Heh. His name is Hardon. Like hard on. Get it? Heh.
like the hardon collidor at CERN
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