mod, poetry isn't so mundane as to have value. I'm trying to cut down, may I have only 15% poetics?

My literal interpretation of the poem was with tongue in cheek. Explaining jokes makes them not funny. Explaining art makes it not arty.

So, what I take away from this is, don't be blinded by how you interpret what you write. Try harder to imagine how it will be perceived. Unfortunately, no help with actual constructs.

Sometimes you just have to put a little more effort into your writing than in rationalizing about writing.

I thought of another gaudy slogan, then I'll lay off:

How can my views be firmly held, if I can't detect anyone on the otherside grasping them?

You could move all this to the discussion section. That way the poem will just be here, being a poem.

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You can hold any view you like. Other people don't matter. Unless they do.

(01-20-2014, 06:39 AM)cheyrn Wrote:  I thought of another gaudy slogan, then I'll lay off:

How can my views be firmly held, if I can't detect anyone on the otherside grasping them?

what valuable qualities do you think your verse has?

It is a shame that you feel this way. I saw quite a lot of useful advice on this thread but perhaps that's not how you like your critique.

(01-20-2014, 06:39 AM)cheyrn Wrote:  I thought of another gaudy slogan, then I'll lay off:

How can my views be firmly held, if I can't detect anyone on the otherside grasping them?

yes hold off them...reply to the poem the audience in this and every other poetry thread belongs to them, and not us :J:

"I'm taking my marbles and going home. Thanks people. I liked you. You didn't like me. Teletubbies offer advice about human interaction. "

I think everyone goes through disillusionment at some point, that you have gone through that us obvious, the rest: about how you feel about yourself, and the rapist seems unresolved, and thus makes the poem confusing. Critiquing your poem is not critiquing you, however whenever you write something that this this raw and fresh and personal, I don't see how you are going to be able to separate the two, and so you are going to take any negative comment about the poem as a negative comment about yourself. Seems like a real setup (probably unconsciously) on your part to generate rejection and give you a reason to run and hide. If that's what you want to do more power to you. The truth is you poem, that is the writing, is not very good, unfortunately what generated the poem is very significant to your personally. One does not equate to the other. Writing a poem that is only so-so just means you have not written many poem, that has no correlation to what you are writing about. You can flee the pig pen, as is your right, but I think I would look for more sound psychological help than the tel-tubies, but your right, we're here to give advice on poetry, not issues of psychology. That's the goal anyway, but it is also a free and open and society.

vio con dios,


Dale

I think many of us have had accept criticism upon joining. Its easy to write something that when you read it you consider it your ultimate masterpiece, and you are sure everyone will love it when they read it. Its easy to be frustrated and discouraged when others point out flaws in your work, but you can look through other people's poem threads and see we are all in the same boat together.

I also posted a poem that I worked long and hard on. After I got over the initial shock that everyone was not chanting my name in unison I realized and accepted that clearly I could learn things from the people at this forum.

So I say this to you to try to help you understand that the purpose of this forum is criticism and to help you become better. Dont take it personal, but instead take it as valued advice. I encourage you to read some other poem theads by me or other members so you can see that everyone is not picking on you but are offering criticism in order to help you improve or clarify your poem.

But again I understand how you feel about the criticism, I think we all go through it to a degree.