I participate (slightly) in a poetry site (that sucks compared to ours) that has a couple good ideas and I was wondering if they would work here or if anyone would be interested.

1. Collaborative Poetry - I have never really tried collaborative poetry and I figure it is something I would be terrible at but here is the thought - A poet creates a thread "Looking for partner", someone sees it and volunteers, the 2 start a new thread and work through the collaborative process publicly, for all to see and comment on. At the end of it, they produce (hopefully) a viable poem that is then workshopped as a joint project.

2. Mentoring - this one is intriguing and really demands an abandonment of ego, but is very popular there. The idea is that 1 poet wants a mentor to - 1 on 1 - guide him through the revision process of a single poem, but, once again, publicly so everyone can learn from the process. The poet posts a single thread in the looking for mentor area and someone volunteers to work on the poem with them. Usually, to be a mentor, the poet must have demonstrated a certain skill in the critical and workshopping process. Usually to apply, a poet must have a minimum number of posts. At this point, the mentor starts work shopping the poem, one on one, with the LFM. After several intensive and public sessions, the mentor announces whether he feels the poem is complete or he completely gives up. If it is the former, the poem is then posted to the serious forum for the final phase.

3. Anonymous writing - I just added this one so it isn't included in my original discussion. The idea is, some posters may feel that discussion of their work never reaches the level it could because of the various personalities involved. In an anonymous forum, the posts are posted by a moderator but the writer is unidentified until the writer feels discussion has reached the level they hoped to achieve at which point the thread is closed and the owner is announced.

At this point, I am looking for COMMENTS on these 2 ideas.

1. Could they work here?
2. Would anyone be interested in either one of them?
3. Are there modifications we would make to reflect the unique culture of our site.
4. Other question that you creative poet-types think up?

here are links of how they look on the other forum

1. http://www.everypoet.org/pffa/showthread...troduction

2. http://www.everypoet.org/pffa/showthread...STING-HERE

the 1st could definitely work
i haven't a lot of time but i'm sure something could be done such threads kept clear of feedback till asked for etc.

the 2nd is a little harder or easier depending on your points of view. i know i had a mentor (who'd a thunk it i know) and it was basically done via pm. i'm sure if someone wanted to do such a think it could be done live, so to speak.
i have to go now but i'll have a think about them both.

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we do have a napm forum not doing so much, it wouldn't be hard to change it's title and rules etc.

updated

(07-26-2013, 08:01 PM)milo Wrote:  I participate (slightly) in a poetry site (that sucks compared to ours) that has a couple good ideas and I was wondering if they would work here or if anyone would be interested.

1. Collaborative Poetry - I have never really tried collaborative poetry and I figure it is something I would be terrible at but here is the thought - A poet creates a thread "Looking for partner", someone sees it and volunteers, the 2 start a new thread and work through the collaborative process publicly, for all to see and comment on. At the end of it, they produce (hopefully) a viable poem that is then workshopped as a joint project.

2. Mentoring - this one is intriguing and really demands an abandonment of ego, but is very popular there. The idea is that 1 poet wants a mentor to - 1 on 1 - guide him through the revision process of a single poem, but, once again, publicly so everyone can learn from the process. The poet posts a single thread in the looking for mentor area and someone volunteers to work on the poem with them. Usually, to be a mentor, the poet must have demonstrated a certain skill in the critical and workshopping process. Usually to apply, a poet must have a minimum number of posts. At this point, the mentor starts work shopping the poem, one on one, with the LFM. After several intensive and public sessions, the mentor announces whether he feels the poem is complete or he completely gives up. If it is the former, the poem is then posted to the serious forum for the final phase.

At this point, I am looking for COMMENTS on these 2 ideas.

1. Could they work here?
2. Would anyone be interested in either one of them?
3. Are there modifications we would make to reflect the unique culture of our site.
4. Other question that you creative poet-types think up?

here are links of how they look on the other forum

1. http://www.everypoet.org/pffa/showthread...troduction

2. http://www.everypoet.org/pffa/showthread...STING-HERE

Hi milo,
Yes to the collaboration idea....that is exactly my purpose with Street Sleep Walking.
I am also moving threads, with permission, into the Serious Workshopping forum to encourage workshopping...we shall see. So long as some nasty bastard doesn't come in with ego pumped attitude and fuck off the aspirants...can't think that would happen, though
Best,
Tom

My thoughts:

(07-26-2013, 08:01 PM)milo Wrote:  I participate (slightly) in a poetry site (that sucks compared to ours) that has a couple good ideas and I was wondering if they would work here or if anyone would be interested.

1. Collaborative Poetry - I have never really tried collaborative poetry and I figure it is something I would be terrible at but here is the thought - A poet creates a thread "Looking for partner", someone sees it and volunteers, the 2 start a new thread and work through the collaborative process publicly, for all to see and comment on. At the end of it, they produce (hopefully) a viable poem that is then workshopped as a joint project.

No real issue with this. I've done a little of it in the past, it's tough to do. I look at it as a neat creativity exercise. I don't know if it would have the staying power to be something people would come back to though. I'm a bit ambivalent on this one. If we did it, cool. If we didn't do it, cool.

2. Mentoring - this one is intriguing and really demands an abandonment of ego, but is very popular there. The idea is that 1 poet wants a mentor to - 1 on 1 - guide him through the revision process of a single poem, but, once again, publicly so everyone can learn from the process. The poet posts a single thread in the looking for mentor area and someone volunteers to work on the poem with them. Usually, to be a mentor, the poet must have demonstrated a certain skill in the critical and workshopping process. Usually to apply, a poet must have a minimum number of posts. At this point, the mentor starts work shopping the poem, one on one, with the LFM. After several intensive and public sessions, the mentor announces whether he feels the poem is complete or he completely gives up. If it is the former, the poem is then posted to the serious forum for the final phase.

I've liked these when I've seen them done. It could also be a mentoring opportunity for how to critique and understand a poem (i.e., the approach, what to look for, etc.). I would probably want a post limit requirement, and a method to evaluate if it's worth our time to invest in someone--assuming we take the mentor role, though frankly depending on what we're trying to do we could be on both sides of this at one time or another. I'm in favor of considering this one.

3. Anonymous writing - I just added this one so it isn't included in my original discussion. The idea is, some posters may feel that discussion of their work never reaches the level it could because of the various personalities involved. In an anonymous forum, the posts are posted by a moderator but the writer is unidentified until the writer feels discussion has reached the level they hoped to achieve at which point the thread is closed and the owner is announced.

Honestly, not an issue I care about. Frankly, if you're around for any length of time style becomes pretty apparent and hard to hide.

At this point, I am looking for COMMENTS on these 2 ideas.

1. Could they work here?
2. Would anyone be interested in either one of them?
3. Are there modifications we would make to reflect the unique culture of our site.
4. Other question that you creative poet-types think up?

here are links of how they look on the other forum

1. http://www.everypoet.org/pffa/showthread...troduction

2. http://www.everypoet.org/pffa/showthread...STING-HERE

(07-26-2013, 08:31 PM)milo Wrote:  updated

Looked over the forum and viewed some of the thread's. Not bad idea's, there is lack of current enthusiasm in the collaborative thread.

Mentoring seems like it would take an experienced poets time up from there usual routine. To me, it would almost be a Collaboration in itself.

I would utilize collaborative over mentoring.

(07-26-2013, 09:06 PM)Todd Wrote:  My thoughts:


Honestly, not an issue I care about. Frankly, if you're around for any length of time style becomes pretty apparent and hard to hide.

I find it interesting you say this, Todd, I had come to the opposite conclusion only a little while ago. There was a game we used to play we called "poetry telephone" and it went like this:

1. First enough people volunteered to participate (around 8 at a minimum i think)
2. The coordinator starts by sending one of them a poem. The poet "rewrites" the poem as their own poem and returns it.
3. The coordinator continues sending out the poem to all of the recipients until everyone has rewritten it.
4. The results are posted "anonymously" and members try to guess who wrote what.

The game was great fun and very popular. (I generally won as I am pretty good with identifying styles but most are not).

Do you really feel that you could identify most members' poems here by style alone?

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(07-26-2013, 09:14 PM)R.C. KITCHENS Wrote:  

(07-26-2013, 08:31 PM)milo Wrote:  updated

Looked over the forum and viewed some of the thread's. Not bad idea's, there is lack of current enthusiasm in the collaborative thread.

there is a current lack of enthusiasm at that site in general. It is dying but for other reasons. They average less than 1 poem per day, less than 5 total posts per day. We must get at least 50 posts per day over here.

it sounds like a good idea but we will never allow anon users to post which we would have to do. i've been on a few sites and it allows for too much abuse. and can be impossible to keep under control.

the rest i'll come back with some ideas after breakfast

(07-27-2013, 08:08 AM)billy Wrote:  it sounds like a good idea but we will never allow anon users to post which we would have to do. i've been on a few sites and it allows for too much abuse. and can be impossible to keep under control.

the rest i'll come back with some ideas after breakfast

People don't post anonymously, the coordinator posts it

(07-26-2013, 08:01 PM)milo Wrote:  I participate (slightly) in a poetry site (that sucks compared to ours) that has a couple good ideas and I was wondering if they would work here or if anyone would be interested.

1. Collaborative Poetry - I have never really tried collaborative poetry and I figure it is something I would be terrible at but here is the thought - A poet creates a thread "Looking for partner", someone sees it and volunteers, the 2 start a new thread and work through the collaborative process publicly, for all to see and comment on. At the end of it, they produce (hopefully) a viable poem that is then workshopped as a joint project.

the NaPM April 28 can be used for this one (we can change it's name to suite) should people wish to take part. the mods can clear away any or all feedback given by people who don't know what's going on. and there will be some. so this is definitely viable as far as logistics go. all that would be needed is participants. you can star

Quote:2. Mentoring - this one is intriguing and really demands an abandonment of ego, but is very popular there. The idea is that 1 poet wants a mentor to - 1 on 1 - guide him through the revision process of a single poem, but, once again, publicly so everyone can learn from the process. The poet posts a single thread in the looking for mentor area and someone volunteers to work on the poem with them. Usually, to be a mentor, the poet must have demonstrated a certain skill in the critical and workshopping process. Usually to apply, a poet must have a minimum number of posts. At this point, the mentor starts work shopping the poem, one on one, with the LFM. After several intensive and public sessions, the mentor announces whether he feels the poem is complete or he completely gives up. If it is the former, the poem is then posted to the serious forum for the final phase.

i love the idea of this but think it might be harder to do than one would think. in many cases it would be the blind leading the blinder . i'd love to take part but i know i'm not skilful enough nor do i have enough free time. but again, it wouldn't be hard to set up using pm or the renamed NaPM April 28 forum.

Quote:3. Anonymous writing - I just added this one so it isn't included in my original discussion. The idea is, some posters may feel that discussion of their work never reaches the level it could because of the various personalities involved. In an anonymous forum, the posts are posted by a moderator but the writer is unidentified until the writer feels discussion has reached the level they hoped to achieve at which point the thread is closed and the owner is announced.

i'm partially with todd on this one, i could (9 times out of ten) spot a poem written by you or leanne or todd or tom (to name a few) unless it were dumbed down, and that would defeat the object of what was trying to be achieved, another problem is the mods, and admin, 7 people would actually know who wrote the poem by their ip addresses. and while we may seem to be goody goodies we're not, we'd be influenced by those who don't give feedback or who give crap feedback etc. and rightly so. even if you create an environment where only those who give good feedback can take part we'd still have our own bias towards certain peoples.

lastly. most of all it depends on the member. i'd say no to the anon thought. i want to know who i'm giving feedback to, i want to see if they're improving or not, i don't want to give feedback to someone i see as wasting my time etc. as in posting the minimum feedback they can get away with. and lastly lastly....moderation. we got more mods because the work load seems to have exponentially increased over the last 12 months or so. i'm not sure all these extra activities that would need moderating would be fair on them or the site.

so my suggestion would be this: give me money.....no seriously ...give me money....seriously. it would be;

try one of them first, if it gets up and working reasonably well and doesn't add too much to the moderators workload, then try a 2nd one of the thoughts you put forward..

At this point, I am looking for COMMENTS on these 2 ideas.

This is off topic,

We could do a thread where you pick a subject or single item and have to write a poem about it. Anyone could write a poem and then the following week a new subject or object would be picked. That would be similar to what Milo suggested earlier about rewriting other peoples poems only it wouldn't be limited on participation. Another idea is the mod picks a photo for members to write a poem about and members write a poem and by a pole a winner is chosen. Just some off topic idea's.

(07-27-2013, 11:07 AM)R.C. KITCHENS Wrote:  This is off topic,

We could do a thread where you pick a subject or single item and have to write a poem about it. Anyone could write a poem and then the following week a new subject or object would be picked. That would be similar to what Milo suggested earlier about rewriting other peoples poems only it wouldn't be limited on participation. Another idea is the mod picks a photo for members to write a poem about and members write a poem and by a pole a winner is chosen. Just some off topic idea's.

we used to have a great game based on this:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgro...ts/subject$3Apoetry$20AND$20subject$3Agame/alt.arts.poetry.comments/EMqx9WFN_fk

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgro...ts/subject$3Apoetry$20AND$20subject$3Agame/alt.arts.poetry.comments/aqPhDpXntPM

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgro...ts/subject$3Apoetry$20AND$20subject$3Agame/alt.arts.poetry.comments/DhVxHw0PsuA

etc.

we used to do it at least twice a week, it could get crazy sometimes

(07-27-2013, 11:13 AM)milo Wrote:  

(07-27-2013, 11:07 AM)R.C. KITCHENS Wrote:  This is off topic,

We could do a thread where you pick a subject or single item and have to write a poem about it. Anyone could write a poem and then the following week a new subject or object would be picked. That would be similar to what Milo suggested earlier about rewriting other peoples poems only it wouldn't be limited on participation. Another idea is the mod picks a photo for members to write a poem about and members write a poem and by a pole a winner is chosen. Just some off topic idea's.

we used to have a great game based on this:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgro...ts/subject$3Apoetry$20AND$20subject$3Agame/alt.arts.poetry.comments/EMqx9WFN_fk

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgro...ts/subject$3Apoetry$20AND$20subject$3Agame/alt.arts.poetry.comments/aqPhDpXntPM

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgro...ts/subject$3Apoetry$20AND$20subject$3Agame/alt.arts.poetry.comments/DhVxHw0PsuA

etc.

we used to do it at least twice a week, it could get crazy sometimes

Not bad, might have to go back and check out those threads.

(07-27-2013, 11:19 AM)R.C. KITCHENS Wrote:  

(07-27-2013, 11:13 AM)milo Wrote:  

(07-27-2013, 11:07 AM)R.C. KITCHENS Wrote:  This is off topic,

We could do a thread where you pick a subject or single item and have to write a poem about it. Anyone could write a poem and then the following week a new subject or object would be picked. That would be similar to what Milo suggested earlier about rewriting other peoples poems only it wouldn't be limited on participation. Another idea is the mod picks a photo for members to write a poem about and members write a poem and by a pole a winner is chosen. Just some off topic idea's.

we used to have a great game based on this:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgro...ts/subject$3Apoetry$20AND$20subject$3Agame/alt.arts.poetry.comments/EMqx9WFN_fk

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgro...ts/subject$3Apoetry$20AND$20subject$3Agame/alt.arts.poetry.comments/aqPhDpXntPM

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgro...ts/subject$3Apoetry$20AND$20subject$3Agame/alt.arts.poetry.comments/DhVxHw0PsuA

etc.

we used to do it at least twice a week, it could get crazy sometimes

Not bad, might have to go back and check out those threads.

I forgot to point out that it was a different group, although I don't think billy will mind as that group is now ded, ded, ded.

(07-27-2013, 11:22 AM)milo Wrote:  

(07-27-2013, 11:19 AM)R.C. KITCHENS Wrote:  

(07-27-2013, 11:13 AM)milo Wrote:  we used to have a great game based on this:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgro...ts/subject$3Apoetry$20AND$20subject$3Agame/alt.arts.poetry.comments/EMqx9WFN_fk

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgro...ts/subject$3Apoetry$20AND$20subject$3Agame/alt.arts.poetry.comments/aqPhDpXntPM

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgro...ts/subject$3Apoetry$20AND$20subject$3Agame/alt.arts.poetry.comments/DhVxHw0PsuA

etc.

we used to do it at least twice a week, it could get crazy sometimes

Not bad, might have to go back and check out those threads.

I forgot to point out that it was a different group, although I don't think billy will mind as that group is now ded, ded, ded.

Maybe a game will start up here. Back on topic, I see the Collaboration Idea as the best one for its own forum.

(07-27-2013, 11:27 AM)R.C. KITCHENS Wrote:  

(07-27-2013, 11:22 AM)milo Wrote:  

(07-27-2013, 11:19 AM)R.C. KITCHENS Wrote:  Not bad, might have to go back and check out those threads.

I forgot to point out that it was a different group, although I don't think billy will mind as that group is now ded, ded, ded.

Maybe a game will start up here. Back on topic, I see the Collaboration Idea as the best one for its own forum.

don't feel like we have to stay on topic, this isn't a critical forum. The best way for a game to start here is for someone (hint, hint) to start it. The best way for you to do that is first trawl for interest (post a thread - hey! anyone interested in a poetry game) then start the game in the for fun forum.

Time to start earning those hugs . . .

(07-27-2013, 11:30 AM)milo Wrote:  

(07-27-2013, 11:27 AM)R.C. KITCHENS Wrote:  

(07-27-2013, 11:22 AM)milo Wrote:  I forgot to point out that it was a different group, although I don't think billy will mind as that group is now ded, ded, ded.

Maybe a game will start up here. Back on topic, I see the Collaboration Idea as the best one for its own forum.

don't feel like we have to stay on topic, this isn't a critical forum. The best way for a game to start here is for someone (hint, hint) to start it. The best way for you to do that is first trawl for interest (post a thread - hey! anyone interested in a poetry game) then start the game in the for fun forum.

Time to start earning those hugs . . .

Are you able to post images in a thread? The idea's are limitless...

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I see you have to link the pictures. It wont let you just upload them. That picture uploads would probably drag the site down anyway.

(07-27-2013, 11:13 AM)milo Wrote:  

(07-27-2013, 11:07 AM)R.C. KITCHENS Wrote:  This is off topic,

We could do a thread where you pick a subject or single item and have to write a poem about it. Anyone could write a poem and then the following week a new subject or object would be picked. That would be similar to what Milo suggested earlier about rewriting other peoples poems only it wouldn't be limited on participation. Another idea is the mod picks a photo for members to write a poem about and members write a poem and by a pole a winner is chosen. Just some off topic idea's.

we used to have a great game based on this:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgro...ts/subject$3Apoetry$20AND$20subject$3Agame/alt.arts.poetry.comments/EMqx9WFN_fk

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgro...ts/subject$3Apoetry$20AND$20subject$3Agame/alt.arts.poetry.comments/aqPhDpXntPM

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgro...ts/subject$3Apoetry$20AND$20subject$3Agame/alt.arts.poetry.comments/DhVxHw0PsuA

etc.

we used to do it at least twice a week, it could get crazy sometimes

no need to send everyone off site they may stay off site

just give a few details.

all of these games thoughts and ideas can be floated. we'll change milo's for to milo's forum and he can start threads at given times
if more than one person starts threads we'll have them up the wazoo and no one will be posting in them. if two people want to do a collabrative poem, you can contact a mod and ask them to start a three off by putting your names in the subject heading, that way it will show only those who are collaborating can post in that thread. , it'll need working on of course but milo seems to have the ideas to get the balls running.

i suggest we call the napm forum milo's forum, which in and of itself will have people popping in to see what's going on.

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r. c. the pics: yes but try not to post huge pics (pics that fit on a page without resizing if possible.

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and yes with the for fun poetry for run on poetry same with the pig's arse if want some extra spicy poetry the options really are limitless as someone else said.

(07-27-2013, 01:28 PM)billy Wrote:  

(07-27-2013, 11:13 AM)milo Wrote:  

(07-27-2013, 11:07 AM)R.C. KITCHENS Wrote:  This is off topic,

We could do a thread where you pick a subject or single item and have to write a poem about it. Anyone could write a poem and then the following week a new subject or object would be picked. That would be similar to what Milo suggested earlier about rewriting other peoples poems only it wouldn't be limited on participation. Another idea is the mod picks a photo for members to write a poem about and members write a poem and by a pole a winner is chosen. Just some off topic idea's.

we used to have a great game based on this:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgro...ts/subject$3Apoetry$20AND$20subject$3Agame/alt.arts.poetry.comments/EMqx9WFN_fk

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgro...ts/subject$3Apoetry$20AND$20subject$3Agame/alt.arts.poetry.comments/aqPhDpXntPM

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgro...ts/subject$3Apoetry$20AND$20subject$3Agame/alt.arts.poetry.comments/DhVxHw0PsuA

etc.

we used to do it at least twice a week, it could get crazy sometimes

no need to send everyone off site they may stay off site

just give a few details.

all of these games thoughts and ideas can be floated. we'll change milo's for to milo's forum and he can start threads at given times
if more than one person starts threads we'll have them up the wazoo and no one will be posting in them. if two people want to do a collabrative poem, you can contact a mod and ask them to start a three off by putting your names in the subject heading, that way it will show only those who are collaborating can post in that thread. , it'll need working on of course but milo seems to have the ideas to get the balls running.

i suggest we call the napm forum milo's forum, which in and of itself will have people popping in to see what's going on.

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r. c. the pics: yes but try not to post huge pics (pics that fit on a page without resizing if possible.

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and yes with the for fun poetry for run on poetry same with the pig's arse if want some extra spicy poetry the options really are limitless as someone else said.

As fun as all this sounds, we are putting the cart ahead of the horse.

For now, I wanted to see how much interest we have on this site for any of these ideas. If we can't garner enough interest, we will never be able to support the ideas and I hate failure.

So far, it is mostly moderators and RC so, most likely, we will have to wait until we get more community oriented members.

that's fair, rc i see has started off a thread in for fun fom and i'll join it later or tomorrow when i get some time. meanwhile i'll change that forum over and you can test the water should you want to

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i think you could put a guide up for the collaborative threads, explaining what the criteria is.

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which if anyone takes part will give you yjeinfo you need as to it's chance of success