jimmy saville...

[billy]

it seems one of the people brought it for questioning re the saville child molesting case is paul gad, aka garry glitter. i wonder who else will be involved.
(just google jimmy saville if your not sure what i'm on about.)
why did they ever let gad out of prison? it's hard to believe i used to watch these guys with my kids just heard on the news that he may have abused over 300 kids

[heslopian]

Savile was caught on tape defending Glitter in an interview. He said that Glitter had just been watching some "dodgy films" and was only being penalised because he was famous. It's all very horrible. According to Max Clifford a lot of big names from the 60s and 70s, some of whom are still famous, have been coming to him worried that they'll get caught up in this scandal.

[billy]

i think these people should get the death sentence. it really sickens me. i hate seeing it, hate knowing it happens/happened. but i'm being blinkered. this shit needs to be brought out into the open. bigger sentences need to be given out. paul gad should have been castrated at birth.

[abu nuwas]

i think these people should get the death sentence. it really sickens me. i hate seeing it, hate knowing it happens/happened. but i'm being blinkered. this shit needs to be brought out into the open. bigger sentences need to be given out. paul gad should have been castrated at birth.

But Billy, it would have done no good with Saville. He was never charged, let alone convicted of anything.

Perhaps because it's my nature to play Devil's Advocate, let me say that I think the BBC, the Media in general, the Government and Opposition, are suffering from an acute case of hysteria. Subject to what may come out, it seems quite a reasonable decision to pull the 'Newsnight' programme. It is well known for its good journalism. Good journalism requires that stories be made to stand up. That involves finding more than one independent source for each allegation.I think that may have been lacking, and that the editor may have reflected, that he certainly could not have made the allegations a couple of months previously, while Saville was still alive. Surrey police and the CPS had reached the same conclusion -- that there was insufficient evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt, that he had committed these crimes.

An enormous number of people have now come forward. I heard someone, a lawyer in fact, suggest that he should have been prosecuted, even knowing that there was insufficient evidence, '' because that often encourages others to come forward''. Think. How would he have liked that? A worthless prosecution, but one which encourages some gold-digger or enemy to come forward and perjure themselves, with not a scrap of forensic evidence? It is crazy talk, and it would be nice to think that someone is having a look at that man's certificate to practice. I don't want him representing me.

Things must quieten down. There must be thorough independent investigations, and the police must keep chasing anyone where the trail leads. It must not turn into a repeat of the Hillsborough Independent Panel--- which was chaired by the Bishop of Liverpool, and packed with Liverpudlians, one of whom had already written a book which indicted the police. As a result, the findings are tainted. There is every chance that among the hundreds of people now crying 'Abuse!' , some will be phoney, whether for attention, or money. How many?

Facts must be established in a calm fashion. The BBC must make some quick interim decisions about beefing up Child Protection, as must many institutions. And they must get on with their job.

We can hope that at the end of all this, something will have been learnt which will reduce the danger to children in future. My view.

[billy]

i agree. but feel that when people start backtracking as they are at the beep, someone knew/knows something. one docu on savile's alleged crimes was pulled by the beeb, i can't remember where but one person said that a beeb worker walked in on savile as he was doing something nasty, said sorry and went back out. erly on people had already accused him and he brushed it off on air, as "nonsense" what gets me is that they stopped any investigation so speedily. paul gad, a well known offender was in jacks words, defended by him. why are people like gad free to roam the streets. i know savile's dead and that they can't charge him but those who knew of his antics if any, could be outed. i can't see people resigning as they are if they knew nothing or if they axed the scandal docu for reasons other than savile was a cash cow for the beeb. i can't see that many people condemning him or telling of abuse just to get famous. i'm a devil's advocate type of person myself but i have a feeling that a can of worms has been upended and they're crawling all over the place.

[heslopian]

Here's the ITV doc if anyone's interested:
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[billy]

i just watched it jack, thanks.
while it has no empirical evidence, a lot of the allegations were very alike in the nature of what went on. the behind the curtain, the lack of emotion, the actualities. i'm dumbfounded with his attitude concerning paul (gary glitter) gad and that he thought what gad did was okay if done in the privacy of gad's own room. of course he's not here to defend himself, but just those few woman's transcripts seem pretty damning. i was also amazed that his co workers never said anything at the time.

[abu nuwas]

i just watched it jack, thanks.
while it has no empirical evidence, a lot of the allegations were very alike in the nature of what went on. the behind the curtain, the lack of emotion, the actualities. i'm dumbfounded with his attitude concerning paul (gary glitter) gad and that he thought what gad did was okay if done in the privacy of gad's own room. of course he's not here to defend himself, but just those few woman's transcripts seem pretty damning. i was also amazed that his co workers never said anything at the time.

Billy -- Make no mistake, I find all this as revolting as could be. I just think that 'facts' are relatively scarce. You know that time and time and time again, (eg the case of Baby P) the initial certainties are subsequently found to be wrong. If lessons are to be learned, the true facts must be established. Having said that, I find it difficult to follow each new claim -- it's just too nasty.

Like many people I imagine, I always thought he was downright odd, but then, so many in the entertainment business like to present themselves that way. Ugh.

[heslopian]

Like many people I imagine, I always thought he was downright odd, but then, so many in the entertainment business like to present themselves that way. Ugh.

That kind of reasoning troubles me a bit. You can be strange or whatever without fiddling kids. My brother said that Savile "looked like a paedo". That statement is funny and scary at the same time. I hate to think of some poor bastard getting lynched because he "looked a bit nonsey".

[billy]

i just watched it jack, thanks.
while it has no empirical evidence, a lot of the allegations were very alike in the nature of what went on. the behind the curtain, the lack of emotion, the actualities. i'm dumbfounded with his attitude concerning paul (gary glitter) gad and that he thought what gad did was okay if done in the privacy of gad's own room. of course he's not here to defend himself, but just those few woman's transcripts seem pretty damning. i was also amazed that his co workers never said anything at the time.

Billy -- Make no mistake, I find all this as revolting as could be. I just think that 'facts' are relatively scarce. You know that time and time and time again, (eg the case of Baby P) the initial certainties are subsequently found to be wrong. If lessons are to be learned, the true facts must be established. Having said that, I find it difficult to follow each new claim -- it's just too nasty.

Like many people I imagine, I always thought he was downright odd, but then, so many in the entertainment business like to present themselves that way. Ugh.

facts are the most important things, and not only scarce but as you say, he's not around to defend himself. i do think that a preponderance of independent statements if they matched could be seen as highly probable. i have a feeling that many will soon be shown to have colluded in keeping any reports given them while he was alive, hidden.

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Like many people I imagine, I always thought he was downright odd, but then, so many in the entertainment business like to present themselves that way. Ugh.

That kind of reasoning troubles me a bit. You can be strange or whatever without fiddling kids. My brother said that Savile "looked like a paedo". That statement is funny and scary at the same time. I hate to think of some poor bastard getting lynched because he "looked a bit nonsey".

it's easy for a mob to form if someone points an accusing finger, or even if they look a bit as you say, noncey. even if they're noncey in a good way. and come on jack. the pedo thing aside. savile looked a little more than a bit odd

[abu nuwas]

Jack, I think the other way of looking at it, is to say, that there is no one type, they don't wear special arm-bands: we have to accept that anyone can turn out to be like that.

My brother had a friend in the RAF who turned out to be like it. He always seemed a decent chap, quietish. Later on, he confided to my brother that his next-door neighbour had caught him photographing his kids, and confronted him. He confessed, and said it had just come over him. I don't know the rest of his story, as the old comrades-in-arms ceased to be mates, as you can imagine.

I do think that some kids have better radar than others. Two of my sons wen to some sort of club. The bloke that ran it suggested that they go to his home for Bible study. One just refused; the other was dying to go. The bloke had the nerve to come round to the house to try to talk me into it. I forget my exact words, but they were unrepeatable, even here.

During my working life, where possible, as it was case-work, I used to have one of the women sit in on some interviews, for no other reason than to get their gut reaction. Many times some bloke would talk away, I would think he seemed quite reasonable, but in the briefing afterwards, they would without hesitation go ''Ugh, he's creepy Ted''. They would have been handy around Broadcasting House...

Interesting that your brother sensed it before all this. I have not met anyone else who makes the claim, though I daresay as time goes by, they will be legion, like all those people who were in the SAS or with the Krays, mate...

[billy]

i always saw the guy as eccentric and over the top, but not in a pedo way, creepy as fuck but i'd have expected that he'd have been out on his arse if anyone saw anything funny going. i was pretty taken back abouit what he had to say about gadd, and how he interacted with him on his show.

[heslopian]

Interesting that your brother sensed it before all this. I have not met anyone else who makes the claim, though I daresay as time goes by, they will be legion, like all those people who were in the SAS or with the Krays, mate...

Oh he didn't sense anything. He only said that Savile looked like a paedo after all the allegations came out.

[billy]

i think it all depends on who comes out with admissions. there's already been a couple of the beeb hierarchy who are saying they knew and should have said something. people don't resign for nothing.

[billy]

i saw that freddy star was arested the other day, if it's true i'm saddened, not that he was arrested, but that he may have been involved,

[heslopian]

I think a woman's accused Starr of groping her in a dressing room when she was 14.

[abu nuwas]

i think it all depends on who comes out with admissions. there's already been a couple of the beeb hierarchy who are saying they knew and should have said something. people don't resign for nothing.

There is a problem here, isn't there? I, like you, I think, was flabbergasted when a couple of these people came forward, saying they had warned him he was taking big risks. On the face of it, they could face charges -- and yet, they, and people like them, are vital if the truth is to be uncovered. If there is too much tough talk, a culture of omerta can be expected; yet, no-one is likely to be offering an amnesty. I do, however, have a lot of confidence in the lady Judge who has picked up the poisoned chalice: she is v astute.

[billy]

There is a problem here, isn't there? I, like you, I think, was flabbergasted when a couple of these people came forward, saying they had warned him he was taking big risks. On the face of it, they could face charges -- and yet, they, and people like them, are vital if the truth is to be uncovered. If there is too much tough talk, a culture of omerta can be expected; yet, no-one is likely to be offering an amnesty. I do, however, have a lot of confidence in the lady Judge who has picked up the poisoned chalice: she is v astute.

entwistle doesn't look like he'll be the boss of the beeb for much longer.
i know the usa has a law that says, watching a crime take place and not reporting it or at least telling someone about it is a crime in itself. i'm not sure we do. if some were there i suppose they could be charged with aiding and abetting or even conspiracy...i think a lot of heads are going to roll, specially at the beeb, some have already thrown themselves on their own petards. if i'm honest i'm biased to him and others being guilty but i would love to be proved wrong

[abu nuwas]

I must have missed a lot. Mr Entwistle has only just taken over as DG, and his crime is alleged to be, that he did not respond properly after the ITV programme was aired. He was not responsible for pulling the 'Newsnight' programme, was he? I very probably am missing the facts, as I just don't like the subject.

[billy]

it does look like he played a part and that he was aware of the savile scandal. i can'y imagine such a high profile person in a company not being made aware of problems that are likely to throw sit into a spinning fan. he more or less admitted that he should have done things differently and that he was unhappy with rippons blog as to why the program was pulled. lets face such a scandal over such a big star would be an instant best seller....so why pull it?

George Entwistle will not want to read this morning's newspapers. The BBC's director-general gets a very bad press indeed over the Jimmy Savile scandal.

His performance in front of the Commons culture select committee yesterday is criticised by leader writers, sketch writers and columnists.
The Sun - 24 October 2012 The Sun's Jimmy Savile splash

Rupert Murdoch's red-top reacted as one would expect. The Sun splashed with the headline "Baffled, Bumbling, Clueless". And its leading article stuck the boot into Entwistle as "weak, incurious… a bewildered man out of his depth."

Next to that was a column by a former Today programme editor, Rod Liddle, headlined "Liar, liar, Aunt's on fire".

By contrast, The Sun's Wapping partner, The Times, was altogether more sympathetic in its editorial by recognising that Entwistle was subjected to "the worst kind of grandstanding" by MPs.

It said: "Premature dancing on the grave of the BBC is distasteful. Great organisations make great mistakes and good people can allow bad things to take place… It is now for the two inquiries to address them."

But this was balanced by The Times's revelatory splash - "BBC boss is accused of blocking Savile exposé" - which was based on a claim that the head of news, Helen Boaden, influenced the decision by Newsnight editor Peter Rippon to drop its investigation.