Reward

[Benny2guns]

MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH


USAMA BIN LADEN





Date of Photograph Unknown


Aliases: Usama Bin Muhammad Bin Ladin, Shaykh Usama Bin Ladin, the Prince, the Emir, Abu Abdallah, Mujahid Shaykh, Hajj, the Director




DESCRIPTION


Date of Birth: 1957 Hair: Brown
Place of Birth: Saudi Arabia Eyes: Brown
Height: 6' 4" to 6' 6" Complexion: Olive
Weight: Approximately 160 pounds Sex: Male
Build: Thin Nationality: Saudi Arabian
Occupation: Unknown
Remarks: Bin Laden is the leader of a terrorist organization known as Al-Qaeda, "The Base". He is left-handed and walks with a cane.
Scars and Marks: None



CAUTION

USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.


CONSIDERED ARMED AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS


IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS PERSON, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR LOCAL FBI OFFICE OR THE NEAREST U.S. EMBASSY OR CONSULATE.


REWARD

The Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. An additional $2 million is being offered through a program developed and funded by the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.


June 1999
Poster Revised November 2001



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With a price like this on his head it makes you wonder why he is still running free.
Why is he still running free anyway? Did he or did he not do what he is accused of doing? Show me the evidence against him or show me the evidence is a bullshit story and give me your reasons and independent evidence for either side of the fence. Oh and why is 9/11 not mentioned on this wanted poster?
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitiv...itives.htm

[billy]

the fact he went on video on more than one occasion and admitted it doesn't count i take it? show me what real (REAL) proof you have he had no part in it. not what you think but what you actually know.

me i'll accept the guy at his word and say he's telling the truth when he said he masterminded all those things. he is or was the leader of a terrorist organization. that's fact. you can get the videos of his own organization saying so and also see them on al jazeer you can also see him and his organization claiming responsibility for the acts they're looking for him for. and if you look you can find where they do accuse him of the twin towers. when was the doc you show written? if it was before 911 then it won't be mentioned

seeing as the info you shown was written before 9/11 i guess that's why it's not in it. a revision in november maybe wouldn't have had time to make it in either. as by nov they maybe couldn't say with certainty if he was involved..

[Benny2guns]

the fact he went on video on more than one occasion and admitted it doesn't count i take it? show me what real (REAL) proof you have he had no part in it. not what you think but what you actually know.

me i'll accept the guy at his word and say he's telling the truth when he said he masterminded all those things. he is or was the leader of a terrorist organization. that's fact. you can get the videos of his own organization saying so and also see them on al jazeer you can also see him and his organization claiming responsibility for the acts they're looking for him for. and if you look you can find where they do accuse him of the twin towers. when was the doc you show written? if it was before 911 then it won't be mentioned

The date is on it but as far as I can tell he is not officially wanted for 9/11...lack of evidence from what I understand. Ya I know but no shit thats what I seem to be finding.
As for this thread, lets do a full investigation and look at all of the evidence shall we. I have tons of it, literally tons of it.
I'll let someone else go first second and so on, I am in no great rush.

[billy]

i agree in principle with what you say VF.

what they did was take urban terrorism to the hills. the ira were famed for it. two shots to the head and leave, admittedly these fuckers took it to a new level but the principle's the same. hit and run (apart from the suicide bombers lol)

this took me all of thirty seconds to find. i think this one was done after the 9/11 bombing.

source


Wanted
Usama bin Ladin
Up to $25 Million Reward
Photo of Usama bin Ladin
Date of Birth : 1957
Place of Birth : Saudi Arabia
Height : 6'4" - 6'6"(193 - 198 cm)
Weight : 160 lbs (71 kg)
Hair : Brown
Eyes : Brown
Complexion : Olive
Sex : Male
Nationality : Saudi Arabian
Characteristics : Full beard, mustache; walks with cane.
Status : Fugitive
Aliases : Usama bin Muhammad bin Ladin, Shaykh Usama bin Ladin, the Prince, the Emir, Abu Abdallah, Mujahid Shaykh, Hajj, the Director

Usama bin Ladin is wanted in connection with the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and for the August 7, 1998 bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya.

The individual listed above has been indicted on the following charges:

Murder of U.S. nationals outside the United States; conspiracy to murder U.S. nationals outside the United States; and attack on a federal facility resulting in death.

Usama bin Ladin, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, Fahid Mohammed Ally Msalam, Sheikh Ahmed Salim Swedan, Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah, Saif al-Adel, Anas al-Liby, Ahmed Mohamed Hamed Ali, and others already in custody are believed to be responsible for the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya on August 7, 1998. The embassy bombings killed 224 civilians and wounded over 5,000 others. These terrorists are believed to be members of al-Qa’ida, an international terrorist network headed by Usama bin Ladin.

[billy]

and they were good at what they did.
they trained the world to be terrorists, then retired lol.

they proved that the urban gorilla (terrorist ) couldn't be beaten. and the british army is by no means the worst in the world. the sas is know as one of the best yet even they only had a relatively mild success rate.

the ira were the best at what they did.

[Benny2guns]

i agree in principle with what you say VF.

what they did was take urban terrorism to the hills. the ira were famed for it. two shots to the head and leave, admittedly these fuckers took it to a new level but the principle's the same. hit and run (apart from the suicide bombers lol)

this took me all of thirty seconds to find. i think this one was done after the 9/11 bombing.

source


Wanted
Usama bin Ladin
Up to $25 Million Reward
Photo of Usama bin Ladin
Date of Birth : 1957
Place of Birth : Saudi Arabia
Height : 6'4" - 6'6"(193 - 198 cm)
Weight : 160 lbs (71 kg)
Hair : Brown
Eyes : Brown
Complexion : Olive
Sex : Male
Nationality : Saudi Arabian
Characteristics : Full beard, mustache; walks with cane.
Status : Fugitive
Aliases : Usama bin Muhammad bin Ladin, Shaykh Usama bin Ladin, the Prince, the Emir, Abu Abdallah, Mujahid Shaykh, Hajj, the Director

Usama bin Ladin is wanted in connection with the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and for the August 7, 1998 bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya.

The individual listed above has been indicted on the following charges:

Murder of U.S. nationals outside the United States; conspiracy to murder U.S. nationals outside the United States; and attack on a federal facility resulting in death.

Usama bin Ladin, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, Fahid Mohammed Ally Msalam, Sheikh Ahmed Salim Swedan, Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah, Saif al-Adel, Anas al-Liby, Ahmed Mohamed Hamed Ali, and others already in custody are believed to be responsible for the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya on August 7, 1998. The embassy bombings killed 224 civilians and wounded over 5,000 others. These terrorists are believed to be members of al-Qa’ida, an international terrorist network headed by Usama bin Ladin.

Congrats it's the same one I put up. Mine was also after the bomings. Where does it say he is wanted for 9/11?

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i agree in principle with what you say VF.

what they did was take urban terrorism to the hills. the ira were famed for it. two shots to the head and leave, admittedly these fuckers took it to a new level but the principle's the same. hit and run (apart from the suicide bombers lol)

this took me all of thirty seconds to find. i think this one was done after the 9/11 bombing.

source


Wanted
Usama bin Ladin
Up to $25 Million Reward
Photo of Usama bin Ladin
Date of Birth : 1957
Place of Birth : Saudi Arabia
Height : 6'4" - 6'6"(193 - 198 cm)
Weight : 160 lbs (71 kg)
Hair : Brown
Eyes : Brown
Complexion : Olive
Sex : Male
Nationality : Saudi Arabian
Characteristics : Full beard, mustache; walks with cane.
Status : Fugitive
Aliases : Usama bin Muhammad bin Ladin, Shaykh Usama bin Ladin, the Prince, the Emir, Abu Abdallah, Mujahid Shaykh, Hajj, the Director

Usama bin Ladin is wanted in connection with the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and for the August 7, 1998 bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya.

The individual listed above has been indicted on the following charges:

Murder of U.S. nationals outside the United States; conspiracy to murder U.S. nationals outside the United States; and attack on a federal facility resulting in death.

Usama bin Ladin, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, Fahid Mohammed Ally Msalam, Sheikh Ahmed Salim Swedan, Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah, Saif al-Adel, Anas al-Liby, Ahmed Mohamed Hamed Ali, and others already in custody are believed to be responsible for the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya on August 7, 1998. The embassy bombings killed 224 civilians and wounded over 5,000 others. These terrorists are believed to be members of al-Qa’ida, an international terrorist network headed by Usama bin Ladin.

Congrats it's the same one I put up. Mine was also after the bomings. Where does it say he is wanted for 9/11?

Edit...there it is but why is it not on the FBI's 10 most wanted?
Oh slap me it was done after the question was asked to keep up appearances.

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i agree in principle with what you say VF.

what they did was take urban terrorism to the hills. the ira were famed for it. two shots to the head and leave, admittedly these fuckers took it to a new level but the principle's the same. hit and run (apart from the suicide bombers lol)

this took me all of thirty seconds to find. i think this one was done after the 9/11 bombing.

source


Wanted
Usama bin Ladin
Up to $25 Million Reward
Photo of Usama bin Ladin
Date of Birth : 1957
Place of Birth : Saudi Arabia
Height : 6'4" - 6'6"(193 - 198 cm)
Weight : 160 lbs (71 kg)
Hair : Brown
Eyes : Brown
Complexion : Olive
Sex : Male
Nationality : Saudi Arabian
Characteristics : Full beard, mustache; walks with cane.
Status : Fugitive
Aliases : Usama bin Muhammad bin Ladin, Shaykh Usama bin Ladin, the Prince, the Emir, Abu Abdallah, Mujahid Shaykh, Hajj, the Director

Usama bin Ladin is wanted in connection with the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and for the August 7, 1998 bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya.

The individual listed above has been indicted on the following charges:

Murder of U.S. nationals outside the United States; conspiracy to murder U.S. nationals outside the United States; and attack on a federal facility resulting in death.

Usama bin Ladin, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, Fahid Mohammed Ally Msalam, Sheikh Ahmed Salim Swedan, Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah, Saif al-Adel, Anas al-Liby, Ahmed Mohamed Hamed Ali, and others already in custody are believed to be responsible for the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya on August 7, 1998. The embassy bombings killed 224 civilians and wounded over 5,000 others. These terrorists are believed to be members of al-Qa’ida, an international terrorist network headed by Usama bin Ladin.

Congrats it's the same one I put up. Mine was also after the bomings. Where does it say he is wanted for 9/11?

Edit...there it is but why is it not on the FBI's 10 most wanted?
Oh slap me it was done after the question was asked to keep up appearances.

So how did a cave dweller manage to demolish 3 buildings in a controlled manner that resembles a building being professionally pulled?

[billy]

how could they want hm in connection the the 9/11 on june 1999?

even the updated one in november didn't allow for enough time for it to be inserted.

when you say cave dweller do you mean someone without intelligence and the ability to lead people who live outside the cave? sorry but thats just a red herring.

this guy may live in a cave but he was/is no ordinary man, he had wealth and intelligence. better educated than most.

so how did he do it. watch his videos. he tells you how it was done.

the thing is benny. this guy confesses in public. so i have a confession. from that as a law enforcement agency i'm entitled to hunt the twat down. in fact i'd be remiss if i didn't hunt him down. i saw two planes fly into the buildings then i saw them fall down. in less of course the news media was faking it? you do believe the planes it the buildings don't you?

so that's two solid pieces of information. facts if you will that i witnessed with my own eyes. what do you have as hard facts. not fanciful pieces of writing mind. about how a certain set of windows blew. or how metal needs to be thousands of degrees. we can prove at home that metal softens (even large pieces) at less than 600 degrees.

what do you have. what hard edged facts?

[Benny2guns]

how could they want hm in connection the the 9/11 on june 1999?

even the updated one in november didn't allow for enough time for it to be inserted.

when you say cave dweller do you mean someone without intelligence and the ability to lead people who live outside the cave? sorry but thats just a red herring.

this guy may live in a cave but he was/is no ordinary man, he had wealth and intelligence. better educated than most.

so how did he do it. watch his videos. he tells you how it was done.

the thing is benny. this guy confesses in public. so i have a confession. from that as a law enforcement agency i'm entitled to hunt the twat down. in fact i'd be remiss if i didn't hunt him down. i saw two planes fly into the buildings then i saw them fall down. in less of course the news media was faking it? you do believe the planes it the buildings don't you?

so that's two solid pieces of information. facts if you will that i witnessed with my own eyes. what do you have as hard facts. not fanciful pieces of writing mind. about how a certain set of windows blew. or how metal needs to be thousands of degrees. we can prove at home that metal softens (even large pieces) at less than 600 degrees.

what do you have. what hard edged facts?

It was revised on november 2001.
Well I too saw two planes hit two buildings but I saw three buildings fall down. Did I miss the third plane?
I know a small bit about pulling buildings and A small bit about steel and a small bit about jet fuel and a small bit about alot of related issues. Enough to tell me that something is not right with the official story. Enough to lead me on a quest to find out as much as I can. Enough to know when someone is having it over on me.
I found alot of info that made complete sense to me and alot that was very questionable. I have found no scenario that allows for the three buildings to completely collapse into themselves straight down at near free fall speed from the impact and resulting fire and damage of two jets.
Show me this so called confession. The one I saw was not even him as far as I can tell.
The engineering facts are the real facts, lets not forget that fact.

[billy]

yet you saw the planes hit the buildings.
you saw the buildings fall down.

as for knowing a bit about steel. and a bit a bout fuel. thats not proof.
what you know has nothing to do with proof.

[Benny2guns]

yet you saw the planes hit the buildings.
you saw the buildings fall down.

as for knowing a bit about steel. and a bit a bout fuel. thats not proof.
what you know has nothing to do with proof.

Bullshit I saw 2 planes hit 2 buildings and 3 fall. WTF...building 7 magically melted from the heat and fell free fall as well.
Knowing something to start with allows one to see things a bit differently. Then look for answers.
If all you know is how to sell bubblegum then steel/heat and impact stats will mean nothing to you.
You show me some proof that they all came down as a result of these jets hitting them, you can't and you know damn well you can't.

[billy]

yet you saw the planes hit the buildings.
you saw the buildings fall down.

as for knowing a bit about steel. and a bit a bout fuel. thats not proof.
what you know has nothing to do with proof.

Bullshit I saw 2 planes hit 2 buildings and 3 fall. WTF...building 7 magically melted from the heat and fell free fall as well.
Knowing something to start with allows one to see things a bit differently. Then look for answers.
If all you know is how to sell bubblegum then steel/heat and impact stats will mean nothing to you.
You show me some proof that they all came down as a result of these jets hitting them, you can't and you know damn well you can't.

i worked in a foundry. i spent a lot of my life in the building industry i was a welder. i've used a thermic lance that burns at 2000 degrees. i'm also an experience wire tier. (the guy who ties the rebar into forms before the concrete is poured. but that count for nothing.

i saw two planes crash into two building.s the buildings fell.

of that i have video evidence i have dead people on the planes and two aircraft that have been destroyed.

you do not know that any building magically melted. sorry benny but you don't

as i say, my proof is the two planes hitting. it's substantially more than theory.

read this
read the rest of the site as well. it basically shows and gives good explanations for everything including tower 7.

and no ones saying the gov didn't uses 9/11 as an excuse to invade iraq. just that two planes caused a lot of damage.

so have you any actual proof yet? or is it all theory and conjecture?

[Benny2guns]

You mean proof that they were built to with stand a strike from jets? Well here is some.
Towers' Design Parameters
Twin Towers' Designers Anticipated Jet Impacts Like September 11th's
Structural engineers who designed the Twin Towers carried out studies in the mid-1960s to determine how the buildings would fare if hit by large jetliners. In all cases the studies concluded that the Towers would survive the impacts and fires caused by the jetliners.

Evidence of these studies includes interviews with and papers and press releases issued by engineers who designed and oversaw construction of the World Trade Center.

1960s-era Jetliners Compared to Boeing 767s
Contrary to widely promoted misconceptions, the Boeing 767-200s used on 9/11/01 were only slightly larger than 707s and DC 8s, the types of jetliners whose impacts the World Trade Center's designers anticipated.



The above graphic from Chapter 1 of FEMA's Report shows the sizes of a 707 and a 767 relative to the footprint of a WTC tower. 1 Flight 11 and Flight 175 were Boeing 767-200s. Although a 767-200 has a slightly wider body than a 707, the two models are very similar in overall size, weight and fuel capacity.

property Boeing 707-320 Boeing 767-200
fuel capacity 23,000 gallons 23,980 gallons
max takeoff weight 328,060 lbs 395,000 lbs
empty weight 137,562 lbs 179,080 lbs
wingspan 145.75 ft 156.08 ft
wing area 3010 ft^2 3050 ft^2
length 152.92 ft 159.17 ft
cruise speed 607 mph 530 mph

Given the differences in cruise speeds, a 707 in normal flight would actually have more kinetic energy than a 767, despite the slightly smaller size. Note the similar fuel capacities of both aircraft. The 767s used on September 11th were estimated to be carrying about 10,000 gallons of fuel each at the time of impact, only about 40% of the capacity of a 707.

Statements by Engineers
Engineers who participated in the design of the World Trade Center have stated, since the attack, that the Towers were designed to withstand jetliner collisions. For example, Leslie Robertson, who is featured on many documentaries about the attack, said he "designed it for a (Boeing) 707 to hit it." 2 Statements and documents predating the attack indicate that engineers considered the effects of not only of jetliner impacts, but also of ensuing fires.

John Skilling
John Skilling was the head structural engineer for the World Trade Center. In a 1993 interview, Skilling stated that the Towers were designed to withstand the impact and fires resulting from the collision of a large jetliner such as Boeing 707 or Douglas DC-8.

Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuel (from the airplane) would dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire. A lot of people would be killed, ... The building structure would still be there. 3
A white paper released on February 3, 1964 states that the Towers could have withstood impacts of jetliners travelling 600 mph -- a speed greater than the impact speed of either jetliner used on 9/11/01.

The buildings have been investigated and found to be safe in an assumed collision with a large jet airliner (Boeing 707—DC 8) traveling at 600 miles per hour. Analysis indicates that such collision would result in only local damage which could not cause collapse or substantial damage to the building and would not endanger the lives and safety of occupants not in the immediate area of impact. 4
The Richard Roth Telegram
On Feburary 13, 1965, real estate baron Lawrence Wien called reporters to his office to charge that the design of the Twin Towers was structurally unsound. Many suspected that his allegation was motivated by a desire to derail the planned World Trade Center skyscrapers to protect the value of his extensive holdings, which included the Empire State Building. In response to the charge, Richard Roth, partner at Emery Roth & Sons, the architectural firm that was designing the Twin Towers, fired back with a three-page telegram containing the following details. 5

THE STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS CARRIED OUT BY THE FIRM OF WORTHINGTON, SKILLING, HELLE & JACKSON IS THE MOST COMPLETE AND DETAILED OF ANY EVER MADE FOR ANY BUILDING STRUCTURE. THE PRELIMINARY CALCULATIONS ALONE COVER 1,200 PAGES AND INVOLVE OVER 100 DETAILED DRAWINGS.
...
4. BECAUSE OF ITS CONFIGURATION, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THAT OF A STEEL BEAM 209' DEEP, THE TOWERS ARE ACTUALLY FAR LESS DARING STRUCTURALLY THAN A CONVENTIONAL BUILDING SUCH AS THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING WHERE THE SPINE OR BRACED AREA OF THE BUILDING IS FAR SMALLER IN RELATION TO ITS HEIGHT.
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5. THE BUILDING AS DESIGNED IS SIXTEEN TIMES STIFFER THAN A CONVENTIONAL STRUCTURE. THE DESIGN CONCEPT IS SO SOUND THAT THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER HAS BEEN ABLE TO BE ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE IN HIS DESIGN WITHOUT ADVERSELY AFFECTING THE ECONOMICS OF THE STRUCTURE. ...
At the time the Twin Towers were built, the design approach of moving the support columns to the perimeter and the core, thereby creating large expanses of unobstructed floor space, was relatively new, and unique for a skyscraper. However, that approach is commonplace in contemporary skyscrapers.

Frank Demartini's Statement
Frank A. Demartini, on-site construction manager for the World Trade Center, spoke of the resilience of the towers in an interview recorded on January 25, 2001.

The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door -- this intense grid -- and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting.
Demartini, who had an office on the 88th floor of the North Tower, has been missing since the 9/11/01 attack, having remained in the North Tower to assist in the evacuation. 6 Demartini had first worked at World Trade Center when Leslie E. Robertson Associates hired him to assess damage from the truck bombing in 1993.

Like All Skyscrapers, the Twin Towers Were Over-Engineered
One aspect of engineering that is not widely understood is that structures are over-engineered as a matter of standard practice. 7 Steel structures like bridges and buildings are typically designed to withstand five times anticipated static loads and 3 times anticipated dynamic loads. The anticipated loads are the largest ones expected during the life of the structure, like the worst hurricane or earthquake occurring while the floors are packed with standing-room-only crowds. Given that September 11th was not a windy day, and that there were not throngs of people in the upper floors, the critical load ratio was probably well over 10, meaning that more than nine-tenths of the columns at the same level would have to fail before the weight of the top could have overcome the support capacity of the remaining columns.

There is evidence that the Twin Towers were designed with an even greater measure of reserve strength than typical large buildings. According to the 1964 white paper cited above, a Tower would still be able to withstand a 100-mile-per-hour wind after all the perimeter columns on one face and some of the columns on each adjacent face had been cut. 8 Also, John Skilling is cited by the Engineering News Record for the claim that "live loads on these [perimeter] columns can be increased more than 2000% before failure occurs." 9


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http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html
Above is a link to a site that I find has alot of pretty good info. Infact when looking for info alot of the time this site is linked as a source.
I beleive that most people take the word of what a few people tell them is true and do not read up on anything for themselves. For me I have never been able to follow blindly. In the case of the tower's collapsing I saw jets hit buildings that I knew were designed to survive jets hitting them. I saw fire and smoke way way up at the upper floors, mostly smoke. I know that cast iron will explode and shatter when heated unevenly especially white metal but I also know these were not used in the towers construction. I also know that heating and cooling will not make steel react like cast closely enough for all 101 floors of it to shatter. What I have seen from the official story tellers is explanations of the questions that arise as they arise and gain volume that are at the extreme end of what can be believed to occur from steel and heat reaction. There was no damage below the strike area that would allow for a free fall collapse otherwise known as an implosion. There is no other way that a building of that size and height can come down like that without the use of controlled explosives.
All 3 buildings were pulled....who pulled them I am not sure of.

[Benny2guns]

There are several things we don't know:

1. Exactly where Bin Laden is hiding.

2. What has caused Benny to obsess about conspiracy theories.

3. Why Benny always changes the subject in Bin Laden threads to his pet conspiracy theories.

This is off topic ...mod

[billy]

FEMA's early investigation was revised by a later, more detailed investigation conducted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), which also consulted outside engineering entities. This investigation was completed in September 2005. Like FEMA, NIST vindicated the design of the WTC, noting that the severity of the attacks and the magnitude of the destruction was beyond anything experienced in U.S. cities in the past. NIST also emphasized the role of the fires, but it did not attribute the collapses to failing floor joists. Instead, NIST found that sagging floors pulled inward on the perimeter columns: "This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers."[6]

thing is the threads about was bin laden behind the plane hijacks. i'd say yes he was. for me the towers or how they fell is a different story. the reward for bin laden is for conspiracy to kill and in connection with the attacks on the twin towers. did the planes hit the towers, did bin laden play a role in getting the planes to hit the twin towers, for me those are the only questions that actually relate to bin laden.

but it's in general so i guess thats okay. i've said my piece about teh facts. i've also posted the above. i think bin laden had two jets fly into the towers and that made them fall. i think bin laden should be hunted down. i still havent seen any other FACTs other than the planes hitting and the towers coming down. i don't class a 60's test with a different plane as factual proof of anything. out of curiosity how much force does a thousand kilo have traveling at 350 mph?
how much force does 60 000 pounds of weight have traveling at that speed.

[Benny2guns]

FEMA's early investigation was revised by a later, more detailed investigation conducted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), which also consulted outside engineering entities. This investigation was completed in September 2005. Like FEMA, NIST vindicated the design of the WTC, noting that the severity of the attacks and the magnitude of the destruction was beyond anything experienced in U.S. cities in the past. NIST also emphasized the role of the fires, but it did not attribute the collapses to failing floor joists. Instead, NIST found that sagging floors pulled inward on the perimeter columns: "This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers."[6]

thing is the threads about was bin laden behind the plane hijacks. i'd say yes he was. for me the towers or how they fell is a different story. the reward for bin laden is for conspiracy to kill and in connection with the attacks on the twin towers. did the planes hit the towers, did bin laden play a role in getting the planes to hit the twin towers, for me those are the only questions that actually relate to bin laden.

but it's in general so i guess thats okay. i've said my piece about teh facts. i've also posted the above. i think bin laden had two jets fly into the towers and that made them fall. i think bin laden should be hunted down. i still havent seen any other FACTs other than the planes hitting and the towers coming down. i don't class a 60's test with a different plane as factual proof of anything. out of curiosity how much force does a thousand kilo have traveling at 350 mph?
how much force does 60 000 pounds of weight have traveling at that speed.

To answer your questions in bold aprox the same between the 2 jets without getting into numbers bill.
The fact is that the towers were in fact built to with stand both a crash and the heat from the fire. As to wether Osama had anything to do with it other than in name and face to put to terrorisim I really doubt it at this point. He will not be brought to trial. If anything he is already dead. If he is alive I would say that he will be killed before he will ever make it to trial. The part that is for sure is that he will never get a fair trial anywhere.
If the reward is in fact for a connection to the towers then what happened to them is in fact why I started this thread and it is. If he had nothing to the extent to do with it as he is portraid to then the whole story about the terrorist is a sham and needs to be exposed. A whole country has allowed their freedom to be taken away as a result of the so called attack from the terrorists who want to kill and destroy America.
Here is my question to you...Why do you insist on telling me that my information is not on topic?

[mrmod]

As far as I'm aware there is already a 9/11 thread in SD&D. Arguments are getting a bit heated here. Discuss Bin Laden? Sure. Discuss if he was the mastermind behind 9/11? Sure. Discuss theories as to why or how the towers fell? No, that is just blatant off-topic. So get discussing Osama Bin Laden or don't discuss in this thread./mod

[Benny2guns]

As far as I'm aware there is already a 9/11 thread in SD&D. Arguments are getting a bit heated here. Discuss Bin Laden? Sure. Discuss if he was the mastermind behind 9/11? Sure. Discuss theories as to why or how the towers fell? No, that is just blatant off-topic. So get discussing Osama Bin Laden or don't discuss in this thread./mod

This is completely outrageous. Admin