wikileaks

[srijantje]

at the moment i think the guy has more to loose than to win,

[addy]

Wikileaks is clamoring for Obama to resign over the leaked cables. Rather optimistic, aren't they?

As for the Assange bank account thing, it sounds like a very misguided PR strategy.... JA is the most pubic face of Wikileaks, and therefore the most sympathetic! Let's ask people to donate to him and watch the aid roll in! Or something. But it ends up just looking like Assange is turning this into a one man show (which is what he could very well want)

[billy]

i think wikileaks is more important lose assange and it's good riddance as far as i can see, lose the leaks and evrything dies with it apart from a few torrents. it just feels like he's getting all the cream. there was talk about the usa going for all the wiki heads. what kind of fund will they have?

[mrmod]

It would probably be a win-win situation for Assange and Wleaks if he took a holiday for some time .

[srijantje]

they'll give him an extended holiday soon enough

[mrmod]

He's not very popular with companies it seems .

[billy]

i'd say he's not popular with lots of peoples.

i notice the bank who got rid of him said he'll get his money back as opposed to wiki will get their money back. a slip of the tongue
but it does leave a nasty taste.

[billy]

mastercard has stopped allowing payments through it to him or wikileaks.

some republicans are asking why he's not been assassinated already hehe.

i think sweden are just trying to get him so the yanks can grab him on an extradition order.
if i were him i'd be seriously shitting my pants.

i also noticed a new face for wiki on the news though can't recall the name. seems like a much nicer guy

[srijantje]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010...ve-updates

[mrmod]

Sounds like a load of balls to me. If they swallow this, it will be a new stage of ridiculousness for Sweden.

[mrmod]

And that is called "deliberate molestation"? Sure, it's a bad example but it's something that should not be taken to court. I mean, the courts in Sweden have better things to do than this.

[billy]

And that is called "deliberate molestation"? Sure, it's a bad example but it's something that should not be taken to court. I mean, the courts in Sweden have better things to do than this.

yes, it borders on this side of rape.

if it's true, which i doubt then the charges are right. should he be hounded over the world for it? no, he should have been asked to return to to sweden voluntarily.

is he a prick, most definitely but i think the sex charges border on insanity.

as for wiki being non political which it states it is, bollocks. it's one of the most political bodies out there. which basically concentrates on attacking the usa. and sometime the uk (but we don't really give a toss )

i much prefer the new guy whose representing wiki than assange

[mrmod]

And that is called "deliberate molestation"? Sure, it's a bad example but it's something that should not be taken to court. I mean, the courts in Sweden have better things to do than this.

yes, it borders on this side of rape.

I'm sorry, I agree with most of what you said but not with this. Sure it's not morally right, probably not legally right either (we don't know the intricacies of Swedish law) but you it is not anywhere near rape.

From what I read he did want to have intercourse without a condom and even though they wanted to use a condom they did not refuse to provide him a service. They willingly were paid for sex - that's not rape. He did not force them, from what I deduce.

And I maintain that this case need not be in court.

[billy]

And that is called "deliberate molestation"? Sure, it's a bad example but it's something that should not be taken to court. I mean, the courts in Sweden have better things to do than this.

yes, it borders on this side of rape.

I'm sorry, I agree with most of what you said but not with this. Sure it's not morally right, probably not legally right either (we don't know the intricacies of Swedish law) but you it is not anywhere near rape.

From what I read he did want to have intercourse without a condom and even though they wanted to use a condom they did not refuse to provide him a service. They willingly were paid for sex - that's not rape. He did not force them, from what I deduce.

And I maintain that this case need not be in court.

legally, if you are asked to wear a condom and you say or pretend you are when you're not, it verges on rape. you're having unprotected sex without consent. you don't have to force someone to have sex for it to be rape.

it's all about permissions with exception. i do agree it's a crock of shit but legally they have him by the unprotected scrotum. the other thing is; we're jumping on the julian is innocent bandwagon with out really know the details. we all assume the swedish courts are populated by morons who want some recognition. we can assume his innocence which i do but we can't be certain.

[billy]

which under the law could actually be classed as rape.
and if he admitted the fact it makes him a very silly boy

[srijantje]

did anybody ever manage to screw a woman while she was sleeping?whacked out on pills she was?
she was probably"pretending"

[billy]

probably the first, which makes it even closer to rape. did she say "take me when i'm asleep?"

he's not allowed bail and why should he be, he an alien in the uk arrested for a crime it can be said he fled from.
i'd like to see wikileaks post the correspondence between assange and his solicitor... but we know that won't happen don't we.
i'd be more inclined to read those revelations than the chit chat between embassies.

[mrmod]

If she was asleep, how did she know he had intercourse? Was he so good that she dreamed about doing him or was he so bad that she fell asleep while at it?


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Just went through some of the juicier leaks, I liked this one:

WikiLeaks cables reveal secret Nato plans to defend Baltics from Russia

What I do wonder is why no Russian cables were hacked .

[thethingy]

love it, one can have an opinion in this thread without censoring if they deem the rape a rape and the documents stolen

[billy]

is that what you deem?

i think the docs were stolen.

i think the rape is a legality which is being used immorally to make someone a name.
i'm sure he won't be charged with rape as such.

i really do think the docs were stolen, that said i think sometimes certain docs need to be stolen and shown to the public. these docs for me are not those. it's mainly small talk and has no real bearing on a bucket of crap. (although a few may be of concern)i am based i guess, because for some reason i can't stand assange. i belive some of the war leaks should have been shown.

i just struggle with the fact that julien for some reason puts himself up as the editor and founder of such. (or the media does and he doesn't deny the point)

i struggle that he wants openess yet i'll never get to see his and other correspondence pertaining to wikileaks. are they above what assange deems 'the truth" who guards the guards"?

i don't think assange would know the truth if it dribbled out of the end of a broken condom. he's an ego in need of praise and thats all he is. he's a dishonest as any liar, as any secret keeping gov or person.for me he has an agenda and that agenda is to propagate himself into fame. i find him to be the very anti thesis of wikileaks.