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(07-13-2016, 08:41 AM)Achebe Wrote: (07-13-2016, 08:17 AM)rowens Wrote: Demonic sacrifices, the waste product resurfaces in the mind.
Baal wasn't a demon. He was a great Phoenician god.
Jehovah = jealous tribal upstart.
We'll I mean if we're being technical Jehovah is a Tyndale Latin mashup of Yahweh and Adonai.
or in the translations the mashup of LORD and Lord.
Hmm Baal, I didn't realize that he was all the way back with the Phoenicians.
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All gods that have speakable names are demons.
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(07-13-2016, 08:17 AM)rowens Wrote: Demonic sacrifices, the waste product resurfaces in the mind.
Demon shit would explain a lot of poetry.
It could be worse
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Literary critics try to explain poetry.
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imo, if she doesn't want to do the work then I wouldn't bother with it. If she can't critique it here then I have no idea why she wants to publish it.
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(07-13-2016, 01:19 PM)Pdeathstar Wrote: imo, if she doesn't want to do the work then I wouldn't bother with it. If she can't critique it here then I have no idea why she wants to publish it.
Because you're grouchy.
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(07-13-2016, 08:41 AM)Achebe Wrote: (07-13-2016, 08:17 AM)rowens Wrote: Demonic sacrifices, the waste product resurfaces in the mind.
Baal wasn't a demon. He was a great Phoenician god.
Jehovah = jealous tribal upstart. Lucky bastard, you.
I want to get published.....eventually. Not right now; I'm thinking, all the stuff right now, if I prove to be any good, I'll just compile into a juvenilia book when I'm, say, 50. All the stuff I'm posting here in the internet, I'll just link to publishers (if/when I submit) as proof that if my current submission was crap, then at least I'm willing to work harder. Which is perhaps another advantage of getting stuff in here -- but yeah, not full books, unless she's willing to shell out just as much+five pieces of valid crit in such a short time.
But yeah, that's an idea -- a publication collecting all of the spotlit hogs from the pigpen? I can't afford online books right now, mostly because of shipping, but are y'alls books, for those published, full of stuff from this place, or what fraction's not, if not?
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(07-13-2016, 02:49 PM)lizziep Wrote: (07-13-2016, 01:19 PM)Pdeathstar Wrote: imo, if she doesn't want to do the work then I wouldn't bother with it. If she can't critique it here then I have no idea why she wants to publish it.
Because you're grouchy.
Nah bro.
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"Baal" originally just meant "Lord", it came from the Sumerians, to the Akkadians, to the Babylonians, where it was originally applied to the god Hadad (I think) and Ashur was his father: this was with the Assyrians, or maybe the Canaanites (never can remember). Of course these were all just transpositions of the original Sumerian gods. It is quite possible the Phoenicians adopted him. I forget which period but Baal, plays the same part as Osiris did in the Egyptian mythology. He is also at times, I think, associated with Marduk, son of Enki, from the Babylonian period who saves the gods and the world from Tiamat, but that's another story.
from Wiki
It was attested in Ebla as "Hadda" in c. 2500 BC. [1][2] From the Levant, Hadad was introduced to Mesopotamia by the Amorites, where it became known as the Akkadian ( Assyrian- Babylonian) god Adad. [3][4][5][6] Adad and Iškur are usually written with the logogram dIM. Hadad was also called "Pidar", "Rapiu", "Baal-Zephon", [7] or often simply Baʿal ( Lord), but this title was also used for other gods.
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In terms of publishing: I've been published (not self published) as have a number on this site. You can't make a living at it, not unless you play the tune the crowd wants to hear and as a rule, if you are pleasing them, your poetry probably is not very good, but everyone picks they're own path, no judgement here. I did find that trying to get published tended to force one to betray the poetry. I never wanted to be a poet and if I never wrote another poem it wouldn't bother me. I write because I am compelled. I know Leanne hates the term, and I do not mean this in an external way, but to betray the muse, or maybe the spirit of poetry for gain is not somewhere I want to go. I've been there. So it is a very difficult balancing act. I'm just speaking in general, not specifically about the "friend". My feeling is for one to really be a worthwhile poet, you have to take the egoism out of the equation and being afraid about how something will be received is completely about the ego. I'm not saying that is not understandable, but to be able to fine tune one's poetry, one has to become dispassionate about it and quit seeing it as part of oneself. That's a lot of what we do here, we force people to separate from their poetry so they can see it with a clear eye. That is really the main value in work-shopping, the information and knowledge gained not withstanding. That's also why we have the different forums, mild-novice-serious, so a person can get that tougher skin at whatever pace they feel comfortable. Regardless it is a painful process and we resist it. If that were not the case we would have thousands of active members on the site, but most people don't want to pay the price to improve, they just want to write the same old stuff and have people tell them how wonderful it is. That's why places like poetry.com are bursting at the seams. I would say let your friend decide what she wants to do, with this one codicil. At some point there is going to be an editing process if anything is going to be published so tell your friend to be prepared, the main goal of the publisher is to make money and so they will make sure the material is cast in the best light in order to accomplish that goal.
Best,
dale
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Dale, thanks for the advice. Really good. And, you're right that she can't avoid scrutiny/revisions if she goes the publication route.
Wish me luck!
(07-12-2016, 08:48 PM)Todd Wrote: You will be successful in this to the degree that she can be mature and objective. That may be harder with highly personal material but it's still necessary.
Thank you for this, it lifts some of the weight off of my shoulders. Yes, you are right to put the responsibility for her work back on her.
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(07-14-2016, 06:10 AM)Erthona Wrote:
In terms of publishing: I've been published (not self published) as have a number on this site. You can't make a living at it, not unless you play the tune the crowd wants to hear and as a rule, if you are pleasing them, your poetry probably is not very good, but everyone picks they're own path, no judgement here. I did find that trying to get published tended to force one to betray the poetry. I never wanted to be a poet and if I never wrote another poem it wouldn't bother me. I write because I am compelled. I know Leanne hates the term, and I do not mean this in an external way, but to betray the muse, or maybe the spirit of poetry for gain is not somewhere I want to go. I've been there. So it is a very difficult balancing act. I'm just speaking in general, not specifically about the "friend". My feeling is for one to really be a worthwhile poet, you have to take the egoism out of the equation and being afraid about how something will be received is completely about the ego. I'm not saying that is not understandable, but to be able to fine tune one's poetry, one has to become dispassionate about it and quit seeing it as part of oneself. That's a lot of what we do here, we force people to separate from their poetry so they can see it with a clear eye. That is really the main value in work-shopping, the information and knowledge gained not withstanding. That's also why we have the different forums, mild-novice-serious, so a person can get that tougher skin at whatever pace they feel comfortable. Regardless it is a painful process and we resist it. If that were not the case we would have thousands of active members on the site, but most people don't want to pay the price to improve, they just want to write the same old stuff and have people tell them how wonderful it is. That's why places like poetry.com are bursting at the seams. I would say let your friend decide what she wants to do, with this one codicil. At some point there is going to be an editing process if anything is going to be published so tell your friend to be prepared, the main goal of the publisher is to make money and so they will make sure the material is cast in the best light in order to accomplish that goal.
Best,
dale
Dale, that was absolutely gospel. Good reminder for all of us. Thanks
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