women blamed for being victims.

[billy]

i've seen this in many papers and
heard it said in many places.

woman must shoulder some of the blame for being victims.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/w...85207.html

sounds farcical i know but even many police officers think the female victem is sometimes at fault. can't remember the source but one police dept charged the women for the rape kit, though that doesn't mean they thought them to blame. it does however show them to be uncaring enough for them to think that way.

[addy]

The thing about charging victims for their own rape kits... I'm being optimistic here, so I'm just gonna assume it's out of stinginess/ lack of funds on the part of the police department. It's despicable, but it's less despicable than the idea that it's the police's backhanded way of punishing rape victims.

I think there are quite a few cases out there of women having consensual sex and crying rape; no denying that. But what I can't stand is implications about women 'provoking' the assault. Excuse me? In other crimes, such as murder, you don't pardon the killer because the victim was being a dick to him. You don't pardon a robber because the man he mugged had 'no business' wearing a nice watch. It's maddening.

[nVeve]

Thats just wrong.

[billy]

Thats just wrong.

what makes you say that? give us your reasons eve.
make a discussion of it.

off topic;
great to see you posting

[Benny2guns]

I'll admit to being one of those people that look at alot of women and think...fuck me and they wonder why they get raped. I know it's not right but shit lets face facts alot of them wear little to cover anything and throw it around like it's there for the first one to take it. You add that into the booze & drug party mix and you've really got a recipe for a cock tease to get an unwanted session. The so called offender often not knowing the difference from the signals being broadcast by the so called victim. I really think that in this scenario there are at least 2 victims and the underling reason for the questionable ethics applied by investigators. I am not saying they are right in their actions but i can see where they are coming from.

[billy]

is that a bit like saying the guy was drunk and staggering all over the place, he was just asking to be robbed. or the same as saying. the shop doesn't put it's goods behind glass cabinets they were asking for their merchandise to be stolen?

while we may have an opinion as to what makes a tart look like a tart surely we don't have a right to rape them.

were not on about the scenario where a guy gets a come on in a bedroom or an extention of a drinking sessions when two people have trouble defining the lines of engagment. we're on (or i am) about out and out drag em down and bang em in an ally rape, and leave the fuckers half dead afterward cos it was rape and not consensual. i'm on about a women dressed seductively being raped and by some stranger whose never spoke to or met the woman before. the good sexy looking woman for some reason it seems, can be thought of as being partly to blame.

isn't it like the pedo who said, i did it cos he was smiling at me, i knew he wanted it...and they have used that as an excuse before now.

[srijantje]

what i don't get is,why would anyone want to have sex with somebody by forcing himself on another person without consent.what's the fun in that?

[billy]

loads of reasons. he's power mad and needs
to exert his strength over women. he's a pervert
he just goes to far. it's how some get their kicks.
they're basically bullies who take it a step further.

[srijantje]

yes i guess,the same thing as bashing some random person up in the streets

[billy]

yes i guess,the same thing as bashing some random person up in the streets

if they get fucked against their will as well then yes, it could be :p

i noticed a lot of women are like that. i've seen it, a rape on tv and all the women in the room are saying to each other;
"Just look at her, she was asking for it"
some will even say;
"i know, what a bitch, parading round dressed like a tart"
i'm sat there choking on my coffee thinking what the f

[addy]

Women can be really vindictive towards one another. They're especially catty towards women who they think are more attractive. That said, saying that a woman deserved to be raped is just... ugh.

[billy]

Women can be really vindictive towards one another. They're especially catty towards women who they think are more attractive. That said, saying that a woman deserved to be raped is just... ugh.

we often see guys as the bad bastards but watch when two men are fighting. often it's not only the women who were teh cause of it but they egg them on more than the men :p.

on topic:

if someone rapes a woman, man, or child, there should be no mitigating circumstances cos the guy was in a gay bar, the woman was dressed provocatively or the baby smiled at the pedo. they should in my opinion have set sentences.

[addy]

Agreed completely. Just wish there were clearer ways to prove rape. What makes it messy is those "she started it" defences, where the man claims the woman not only seduced him, but initiated the sex.

[srijantje]

difficult to prove then,when it happens in private

[billy]

difficult to prove then,when it happens in private

and sometimes the person who claims rape after sex, so as not to get into trouble. young girlfriends and daughters who decide to tell a lie when they get caught etc

[srijantje]

yes,i got a friend who as it later turned out was falsely accused of getting it on with a 9 year old girl.reputation fucked,can't go to places anymore he used to frequent,lot of his friends turned on him,cost him a shitload of money too to clear his name

[Benny2guns]

is that a bit like saying the guy was drunk and staggering all over the place, he was just asking to be robbed. or the same as saying. the shop doesn't put it's goods behind glass cabinets they were asking for their merchandise to be stolen?

while we may have an opinion as to what makes a tart look like a tart surely we don't have a right to rape them.

were not on about the scenario where a guy gets a come on in a bedroom or an extention of a drinking sessions when two people have trouble defining the lines of engagment. we're on (or i am) about out and out drag em down and bang em in an ally rape, and leave the fuckers half dead afterward cos it was rape and not consensual. i'm on about a women dressed seductively being raped and by some stranger whose never spoke to or met the woman before. the good sexy looking woman for some reason it seems, can be thought of as being partly to blame.

isn't it like the pedo who said, i did it cos he was smiling at me, i knew he wanted it...and they have used that as an excuse before now.

Well we are talking about the same thing i beleive. Unfortunatly there are those women that have done so and to make sure, in the eyes of the law certain questions have to be asked, thats just the way it is.

[billy]

sadly some have shouted rape when there was none.
but even that has little bearing on whether or not a woman should be partly to blame if she dresses in a provocative manner. i say people should be allowed to dress how they want and if they get raped the the victim isn't to blame.

i'm not talking about a night out where mixed signals are given. i'm on about actual rape. the taking of someone without their consent.

[. . . .]

I'll admit to being one of those people that look at alot of women and think...fuck me and they wonder why they get raped. I know it's not right but shit lets face facts alot of them wear little to cover anything and throw it around like it's there for the first one to take it. You add that into the booze & drug party mix and you've really got a recipe for a cock tease to get an unwanted session. The so called offender often not knowing the difference from the signals being broadcast by the so called victim. I really think that in this scenario there are at least 2 victims and the underling reason for the questionable ethics applied by investigators. I am not saying they are right in their actions but i can see where they are coming from.

Str8 guys do that to but you don't see them getting raped by the women..

(Its a whole new dynamic in the gay world so dont even go there)

But still, its wrong that a guy looses his control just because a girl isn't wearing much. If you cant handle it don't look at them.

(If it was 2 guys they would already be renting a room...)

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I suppose it is possible for a women to start it with a PHYSICAL provocation on a subtle level such as a "tickle" match but the man starts going ape on her, which is still not what she wanted or asked for or tried to provoke.. And its still just as wrong..

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yes,i got a friend who as it later turned out was falsely accused of getting it on with a 9 year old girl.reputation fucked,can't go to places anymore he used to frequent,lot of his friends turned on him,cost him a shitload of money too to clear his name

A person making false accusations of rape should be punished just as much as a rapist would be

[billy]

(If it was 2 guys they would already be renting a room...)

i'm sure guys get raped by guys as well scruffus.

i think often one party changes their mind. the other party thinks wtf and just takes it anyway....thats still rape.