Poetry and the Masses

[Leanne]

Then fix it.

[clemonz]

ok so what sense are you using excellence there, that precludes value?

i'm just curious how you can read so much but have [apparently] so naive a view.

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Then fix it.

haha i'm trying but have mental problems hahaha, sorry.

[rowens]

Why do you think you're ignorant?

cos i've not read much.

What gave you the impression that you were being called ignorant by me?

[clemonz]

cos of your apparent ironic assertion that you're not well read

?

[rowens]

I don't know about having made an assertion one way or another.

[Leanne]

ok so what sense are you using excellence there, that precludes value?

i'm just curious how you can read so much but have [apparently] so naive a view.

Those are the sort of statements that can make you seem ignorant -- although I did not in fact call you that, I merely pointed out that it's a quality that I find deplorable. Your assumption that my view is naive is based on an exceedingly limited knowledge of poetry, language and perhaps more to the point, me personally. Your insistence on applying absolutes to something that is in constant flux clearly demonstrates your own inexperience. It's excusable if you're very young and still have that arrogance of youth that is the result of an egocentric world view.

Please don't try to play the mental health card again though. It's insulting to the number of people here who have disorders and difficulties but still manage to think and function well enough to interact with empathy and tolerance.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I believe I shall follow my initial instinct, which is to leave you alone.

[abu nuwas]

Getting back to the masses, I bought a Philip Hegley book to-day, where he links one little poem to another with tales of spectacles, and dogs-- mostly his spectacles, and his dog. If the masses had not fallen away from religion, they might appreciate:

My dog my dog why hast thou forsaken me?

I think a kind of modified masses would be the first target, then the whole shoot.

What kind of modification are we talking about? I tend to prefer mutants. I shall begin writing poetry for X-Men.

I shall look forward to your next volume: The Day the X-Men Took Over the World. Poem on one page, nude on the facing page. You will be on telly in no time...

[Leanne]

I shall look forward to your next volume: The Day the X-Men Took Over the World. Poem on one page, nude on the facing page. You will be on telly in no time...

Naked poetry is the best kind. Naked mutant poetry, of course. The masses will appreciate my prehensile nipples.

[clemonz]

ok so what sense are you using excellence there, that precludes value?

i'm just curious how you can read so much but have [apparently] so naive a view.

Those are the sort of statements that can make you seem ignorant -- although I did not in fact call you that, I merely pointed out that it's a quality that I find deplorable. Your assumption that my view is naive is based on an exceedingly limited knowledge of poetry, language and perhaps more to the point, me personally. Your insistence on applying absolutes to something that is in constant flux clearly demonstrates your own inexperience. It's excusable if you're very young and still have that arrogance of youth that is the result of an egocentric world view.

Please don't try to play the mental health card again though. It's insulting to the number of people here who have disorders and difficulties but still manage to think and function well enough to interact with empathy and tolerance.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I believe I shall follow my initial instinct, which is to leave you alone.

i think you are more than over-reacting here. i wasn't calling you naive, i said that deploring modern poetry is a naive kind of view. and even if that's my being ignorant, it doesn't warrant calling me egocentric or arrogant, or intolerant, or unempathic.

[Leanne]

Do you mean "modern" or "contemporary"? Because I deplore neither and have never intimated anything of the sort. I dislike modernity as a movement but find several of the poems written in this time to be engaging and enjoyable. And now, I shall return to my stated position. Please feel free to report me for my extreme rudeness.

[clemonz]

I dislike modernity as a movement but find several of the poems written in this time to be engaging and enjoyable

oh ok, i'm sure that someone somewhere is stoked they have your limp approval.

yes i will report your rudeness, thanks.

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i am not "playing the mental health card" a disgraceful turn of phrase btw, but explaining why i'm not very well read.

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you didn't even answer my damn question

so what sense are you using excellence there, that precludes value?

[milo]

I dislike modernity as a movement but find several of the poems written in this time to be engaging and enjoyable

oh ok, i'm sure that someone somewhere is stoked they have your limp approval.

yes i will report your rudeness, thanks.

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i am not "playing the mental health card" a disgraceful turn of phrase btw, but explaining why i'm not very well read.

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you didn't even answer my damn question

so what sense are you using excellence there, that precludes value?

I would think you could read the modernists (which aren't modern at all anymore BTW) and either enjoy or not enjoy their poetry.

I, for one, love the modernists. Many people reading what i write have criticized me as being stuck in modernism and they may be partially correct.

I think you may be confusing the two.

As a closer, stick to the point, please leave personalities and ego out of the discussion. Consider this the warning, I am not sending it via pm.

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Also, I have read all of the reports and cleared the logs, please stop reporting this thread immediately.

[BedsideFungus]

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Also, I have read all of the reports and cleared the logs, please stop reporting this thread immediately.

First rule of victim club is always talk about victim club.

[rowens]

First rule of victim club is always talk about victim club.

Paranoia isn't all bad. A paranoid person is never less than earnest. And that does pay off sometimes.

[abu nuwas]

I shall look forward to your next volume: The Day the X-Men Took Over the World. Poem on one page, nude on the facing page. You will be on telly in no time...

Naked poetry is the best kind. Naked mutant poetry, of course. The masses will appreciate my prehensile nipples.

I did not for a moment think that the Author should also adorn the pages (though I daresay Tracey Emin would jump at it). No, just your bog standard Page 3, or Naked X-Women. I should be more careful in what I write. I hate to be ambiguous, you know.

[Leanne]

And yet amphibious is acceptable... perhaps Page 3 webbed ladies called Gillian.

[clemonz]

First rule of victim club is always talk about victim club.

Paranoia isn't all bad. A paranoid person is never less than earnest. And that does pay off sometimes.

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first rule of victim club is always talk about victim club.

first rule? i thought that the very first rule would be to misread personal attacks into differences of opinion, but hey

[rowens]

One of my mottoes goes:

If I wasn't wrong then, I wouldn't be right now.

[clemonz]

i don't have a motto, can you provide me with one ?

[rowens]

Yes.

This is one from Mike Brady:

Wherever you go, there you are.