Curious analogy in Tennyson's "Love and Death"
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The poem "Love and Death" describes a brief encounter between love and death personified. Love first spots death beneath a yew one night "talking to himself". Death tells Love, "You must begone, these walks are mine." Love before flying away tells him what I suppose contains the message of the poem namely that love conquers all and rules on through eternity,

This hour is thine;
Thou art the shadow of life, and as the tree
Stands in the sun and shadows all beneath,
So in the light of great eternity
Life eminent creates the shade of death;
The shadow passeth when the tree shall fall,
But I shall reign for ever over all."

The way the poem compares a tree in the sun casting a shadow on all beneath it to how life creates the shadow of death in the light of eternity is meaningful.

But what does it mean?

I suppose it means that death the "shadow of life" appears as grim truth in the light of reality-- a looming certainty that as a shadow obscures and veils the eternal nature of all things from the eyes of man. It shadows all, threatening life yet life continues on through eternity. Life "eminent" is a part of eternity however irreconciable life and eternity may seem in the shadow of death and divorced from the "light of great eternity".

I think this poem is quite similar in theme to the poem Nothing Will Die which is that life is ever-changing through eternity without beginning or end:

When will the stream be aweary of flowing
Under my eye?
When will the wind be aweary of blowing
Over the sky?
When will the clouds be aweary of fleeting?
When will the heart be aweary of beating?
And nature die?
Never, oh! never, nothing will die?
The stream flows,
The wind blows,
The cloud fleets,
The heart beats,
Nothing will die.

Nothing will die;
All things will change
Through eternity.
'Tis the world's winter;
Autumn and summer
Are gone long ago;
Earth is dry to the centre,
But spring, a new comer,
A spring rich and strange,
Shall make the winds blow
Round and round,
Through and through,
Here and there,
Till the air
And the ground
Shall be filled with life anew.

The world was never made;
It will change, but it will not fade.
So let the wind range;
For even and morn
Ever will be
Through eternity.
Nothing was born;
Nothing will die;
All things will change.

What are your thoughts?

Here is the poem Love and Death in full:

What time the mighty moon was gathering light
Love paced the thymy plots of Paradise,
And all about him roll'd his lustrous eyes;
When, turning round a cassia, full in view
Death, walking all alone beneath a yew,
And talking to himself, first met his sight:
"You must begone," said Death, "these walks are mine".
Love wept and spread his sheeny vans for flight;
Yet ere he parted said, "This hour is thine;
Thou art the shadow of life, and as the tree
Stands in the sun and shadows all beneath,
So in the light of great eternity
Life eminent creates the shade of death;
The shadow passeth when the tree shall fall,
But I shall reign for ever over all".
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#2
A quick google shows you've already asked this question elsewhere in the last couple of days -- homework assignment?
It could be worse
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(09-18-2013, 04:15 AM)Leanne Wrote:  A quick google shows you've already asked this question elsewhere in the last couple of days -- homework assignment?

No, it's not a homework assignment. Believe it or not, I am a lover of poetry who likes discussing questions he may have with certain poems. I asked this question on english.stackexchange which was placed on hold since it violated their standards. I thought I might find people with the same eagerness and enthusiasm for poetry on here that I have.
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(09-18-2013, 04:19 AM)Chris511026 Wrote:  
(09-18-2013, 04:15 AM)Leanne Wrote:  A quick google shows you've already asked this question elsewhere in the last couple of days -- homework assignment?

No, it's not a homework assignment. Believe it or not, I am a lover of poetry who likes discussing questions he may have with certain poems. I asked this question on english.stackexchange which was placed on hold since it violated their standards. I thought I might find people with the same eagerness and enthusiasm for poetry on here that I have.

It's far simpler than that. The tree is life. As long as we are alive, there is the shadow of death but love transcends death in that love continues after death. Yah, its pretty cheesy but brilliantly written enough to rise above the twee. (See what I did there?)

Also, note the religious overtones. It is important that the poem could be read as purely a religious poem without romantic merit.
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#5
love only walks the earth by deaths survivors, once they die their love dies with them
i hate tricky poems Sad
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(09-18-2013, 10:37 AM)billy Wrote:  love only walks the earth by deaths survivors, once they die their love dies with them
i hate tricky poems Sad

Not in the christian faith, it is the love of Christ. Note the references to the garden (paradise) and the tree. The tree doesn't just represent life but also the sin of man that dies with him.
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#7
you can't love christ if your dead :HUH:
here's another thing with poetry like this, can a person go to heaven then be sent to hell for breaking one of heavens rules or does heaven have no rules :HUH:
i see that god is love but that doesn't make it good eatings. i do like the sonnet but not the intent. will god love me should i end up in hell? if god is love who is death? surely not the devil. why is death the shadow and not the light that leads us to god?
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(09-18-2013, 10:47 AM)billy Wrote:  you can't love christ if your dead :HUH:
here's another thing with poetry like this, can a person go to heaven then be sent to hell for breaking one of heavens rules or does heaven have no rules :HUH:
i see that god is love but that doesn't make it good eatings. i do like the sonnet but not the intent. will god love me should i end up in hell? if god is love who is death? surely not the devil. why is death the shadow and not the light that leads us to god?

I am not christian but tennyson was, the answers to all of these questions are in the poem, you have to read it.
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#9
i did, i saw them i didn't agree with them Blush

i'm a christian too Blush
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#10
Note the cleverness with the break on "yew", he used a technique I have suggested a few times. Clearly he needed "yew" for the doublemeaning of you and the tree of death/rebirth but he knew view would appear forced so he brought view up and made yew the rhyming word. Very clever and adeptly pulled off.

(09-18-2013, 11:13 AM)billy Wrote:  i did, i saw them i didn't agree with them Blush

i'm a christian too Blush

If you believe in everlasting life through christ then you agree. If you don't you aren't a christian.
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#11
yes but who is death?
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(09-18-2013, 11:18 AM)billy Wrote:  yes but who is death?

Death is just the personification of death. Not good or evil, just death.
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What do you think of my interpretation on the poem and the analogy? Do you see the similarity between Love and Death and Nothing Will Die? The suggestions to eternity?
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(09-18-2013, 11:22 AM)Chris511026 Wrote:  What do you think of my interpretation on the poem and the analogy? Do you see the similarity between Love and Death and Nothing Will Die? The suggestions to eternity?

I don't, I find the concepts completely different. But you do. Good for you, here, have a cookie.
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#15
i need a cookie to because i see death as dark light and dark, love being light/god death being dark/the shadow, the now you'll be sorry guy. in my christian faith death has always been the doorway to light, though tennyson as it as something lurking.
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(09-18-2013, 11:46 AM)billy Wrote:  i need a cookie to because i see death as dark light and dark, love being light/god death being dark/the shadow, the now you'll be sorry guy. in my christian faith death has always been the doorway to light, though tennyson as it as something lurking.

The shadow of death hangs over man ever since original sin, death has a claim over man, but that claim ends with physical life. Love continues after.
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(09-18-2013, 10:47 AM)billy Wrote:  you can't love christ if your dead :HUH:
here's another thing with poetry like this, can a person go to heaven then be sent to hell for breaking one of heavens rules or does heaven have no rules :HUH:
i see that god is love but that doesn't make it good eatings. i do like the sonnet but not the intent. will god love me should i end up in hell? if god is love who is death? surely not the devil. why is death the shadow and not the light that leads us to god?
To your first question: From a Christian perspective once you die or are resurrected bodily and see the risen Christ you become like him. This is the doctrine of glorification. In simple terms, you become incapable of sinning.

Back to the poem...
The secret of poetry is cruelty.--Jon Anderson
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#18
that's a cop out then, what good is glorification if one can't sin Sad
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(09-18-2013, 11:50 AM)billy Wrote:  that's a cop out then, what good is glorification if one can't sin Sad
Sin is for this life not the next.
The secret of poetry is cruelty.--Jon Anderson
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#20
i know this off topic almost but maybe that's why i dislike this tennyson fellow, he could have lied.

so heaven isn't all boozing drugs sex and rock and roll then?
i really am struggling with his concept of death. which should be nothing sinister as he portrays it to be here. it shouldn't be waiting for us, it's us who should be waiting for it.
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