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(09-15-2013, 06:53 AM)trueenigma Wrote: (09-15-2013, 06:43 AM)milo Wrote: (09-15-2013, 06:42 AM)trueenigma Wrote: Well, it may not be a good example of interpretation by definition. But the value is determined by its usefulness.
I would consider it more of a comment on technical merit (tone and voice)
It was the interpretation that led me to comment on the tone, and suggest the voice.
My idea of interpretation is just different. So. Do I think that English should have to be translated? No
And would the interpretation have been valid if it didn't bring useful crit, ideas, and comments on technical merit? IMO, no. If I had said(and only said): "sounds like a preacher is saying....yada yada", I'm sure it would have been useless.
you didn't comment on or mention your interpretation in the post. the crit was on technical merit. maybe you used your magic 8-ball© to come up with it. the world may never know . . .
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(09-15-2013, 07:13 AM)trueenigma Wrote: (09-15-2013, 07:02 AM)milo Wrote: (09-15-2013, 06:53 AM)trueenigma Wrote: It was the interpretation that led me to comment on the tone, and suggest the voice.
My idea of interpretation is just different. So. Do I think that English should have to be translated? No
And would the interpretation have been valid if it didn't bring useful crit, ideas, and comments on technical merit? IMO, no. If I had said(and only said): "sounds like a preacher is saying....yada yada", I'm sure it would have been useless.
you didn't comment on or mention your interpretation in the post. the crit was on technical merit. maybe you used your magic 8-ball© to come up with it. the world may never know . . .
....well, you got me there but I read it several times, I started to say "this line sounds like a baptist" and "this part sounds line fire and brimstone", but when the idea struck, well, at that point it all just seemed moot
eh, let's call it a tie. I think the point you wanted to make is that to do a proper critique you need to really read the poem and attempt to understand the original writer's intent and mine was that poetry is more about the vehicle than the transportation.
There is a good chance we are both right.
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If you're that stuck on Persephone, I have to say I'd prefer no further comments...
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(09-15-2013, 08:12 AM)trueenigma Wrote: (09-15-2013, 08:09 AM)Leanne Wrote: If you're that stuck on Persephone, I have to say I'd prefer no further comments...
No. Not because of the poem. It led me there, but I stayed there for other reasons. I love the old Greeks.
please bring your "loving of old Greek's" to the sewer
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on another note, how long can we keep this thread going?
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How long is a thread?
How much does a Grecian urn? As much as he's ode.
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(09-15-2013, 08:29 AM)Leanne Wrote: How long is a thread?
How much does a Grecian urn? As much as he's ode.
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I'm still disturbed by someone being knee-deep in Persephone I try not to judge kinks and all, well and there's that shape changing thing with Zues...
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back on topic and stop having fun 
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(09-15-2013, 09:10 AM)billy Wrote: back on topic and stop having fun
wait, what was the topic? Interpretation . . .
the road less traveled was actually the same road
it was santa clause stopping by the woods . . .
the cedar pole was a penis and the silken tent was a vagine . . .
Prufrock suffered from erectile dysfunction . . .
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The red wheelbarrow was used to bury the remains of real poetry.
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09-15-2013, 09:32 AM
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(09-15-2013, 09:22 AM)Leanne Wrote: The red wheelbarrow was used to bury the remains of real poetry.
And the white chickens pooped on the poetry and were
naked and not ashamed.
Three real poets walked into a bar. The first one walked up to the
bartender and said:
"When power leads man toward arrogance, poets remind him
of his limitations. When power narrows the area of man's concern,
poets remind him of the richness and diversity of existence
and order three double scotches and what are the rest of you having?"
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I think it all comes down to a matter of personal taste, like music or filums or paintings (or anything and everything else).
Sometimes I read one of these poems on here and I can't help doing an eyeroll of 'oh gawd, really' and then I'll read the critique by the people who know stuff and think, oh, I got that wrong then.
I wish more people shared my personal taste.
You do all realise that everyone writes poetry, yeah?
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(09-16-2013, 02:21 AM)ScurryFunger Wrote: I wish more people shared my personal taste.
Cannibalism by any other name would taste as sweet.
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(09-16-2013, 02:21 AM)ScurryFunger Wrote: Sometimes I read one of these poems on here and I can't help doing an eyeroll of 'oh gawd, really' and then I'll read the critique by the people who know stuff and think, oh, I got that wrong then.
I wish more people shared my personal taste. done that been there  
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(09-16-2013, 08:44 PM)billy Wrote: (09-16-2013, 02:21 AM)ScurryFunger Wrote: Sometimes I read one of these poems on here and I can't help doing an eyeroll of 'oh gawd, really' and then I'll read the critique by the people who know stuff and think, oh, I got that wrong then.
I wish more people shared my personal taste. done that been there
I think the answer to that is to critique from your own taste instead of assuming others are "right" and you are "wrong". Then when people drop in to read they will see your POV and maybe like minds will join. The rules here don't say you have to agree, just that you have to take part.
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"A painting is a physical object, it is not art.
Art is the effect the painting has on a person when
they see it. Art is subjective because it is a
product of perception and perception is subjective.
- William Sanders
Which implies that all criticism, valid or not, is based on interpretation.
(And that poetry is the effect of the words, not the words themselves.)
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Man, another 'art is subjective quote'. You would think we wouldn't be so dependent on clichés.
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(09-16-2013, 09:04 PM)milo Wrote: Man, another 'art is subjective quote'. You would think we wouldn't be so dependent on clichés.
What did you expect?
"Truth", "beauty", "toast", "milk", "left", "right";
all those damn things are clichés.
Calling a rose a rose is a cliché; so hell, let's change it!
(Though it probably wouldn't smell as sweet.)
Or pi, having it equal to 3.14159.... IS a cliché.
(Or calling it "pi" for that matter.)
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A word is never a cliche. Identifying pi is also not cliche it is identity. "Art is subjective" isn't true identity it is figurative - thus cliche.
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