12-02-2010, 02:40 PM
(12-02-2010, 10:57 AM)billy Wrote: kath, let me apologise for removing a posteven if it does it's no biggy ... shit happens![]()
i inadvertently pressed edit instead of reply. it won't happen again

(12-02-2010, 10:57 AM)billy Wrote: we cannot have total free will if we are not omnipotent, a god if it exists in the understanding of the bible, is the only entity to have total free will.Gosh I wish I had all the answers then I wouldn't be stumbling around in wonderment.
our will is already limited. what of my free will if i were a burning jew?
free will is torn form us and we often have no recourse to stop it.
as i say, in crimes of violence such as rape kiddy molesting and murder, etc our free will is curtailed.
a god could stop such atrocity, do children have free will? you say they're not old enough to understand god, what free will do they have. if none, at what age does it come to us.
All I know is that we have the choice to make this planet (our home) a good place for all, a will that we can muster up on our own whether there exists a God or not. We all know right from wrong in reguards to taking anothers life, raping, torturing, stealing, lieing. The means of distinguishing between right and wrong, or good and evil is in us all. Is it instinctive? or was it planted in us by a Higher Being? Does it even matter where it came from? To me the important thing is that it is there in each of us along with the free will to act on it or not.
(12-02-2010, 01:38 PM)srijantje Wrote: the whole conversation hasn't changed my mind that there isn't a god in the first place,actually it strengthened that notionThen that's a good thing for you
... your mind can remain at peace with your decision and choice to not believe.For myself I find comfort in believing that there is a Higher Being. I don't want to believe that this life is for nothing more than to become maggot food when my days are up. But who knows maybe that is my purpose in life.

I just feel that besides being physical beings we are spiritual beings. Some of us have that sense for a large part of our lives, while others only come to recognize it during difficult times, and still others never know it. For me I've always felt it ... I enjoy it ... I embrace it.
You give to the world when you're giving your best to somebody else.

