11-30-2010, 03:54 PM
(11-30-2010, 02:14 PM)billy Wrote: we believe or we don't kath.True enough, though we're never far from changes until we die ... and I by no means wish nor intend to convince or change anybody's mind, I was just sharing my experience ... that for myself I cannot accept that intervention through prayer is a man made myth. Because of my families experience I just can't and won't accept that.
we make explanations or we don't.
god exists or he doesn't.
none of us really know. you put down that your husband getting well was down to god.
(11-30-2010, 02:14 PM)billy Wrote: whether i believe in god or not is irrelevant to what you feel you experienced. and what you experienced is irrelevant as to the evilness of god. i'm sure ted bundy did a few good things in his life,
i'm sure hitler also did. if god does exist, then the saving of one life does not redeem him for the pain and suffering he's allowed to be caused in his name. to stand by and doing nothing while someone is being raped or murdered is bad, but to stand by while nation destroys nation is exponentially worse. i say he's still evil no matter how many he may have saved.
If it is true that God stands idlely by doing nothing to stop rapes, murders, wars upon wars then where does our free will come into play? Where is our accountability for our own actions?
What would be the point of free will if every wrongful move man makes it is to be undone by God's hand ... we would be nothing more than mindless puppets.
I do not believe God to be a he or she that sits upon a throne watching over mankind from the heavens and allowing us to wallow in our destructive ways. Nor do I believe that he picks and chooses who he will spare or grant prayer priviledges to.
Jesus was said to have performed many miracles, healing the sick, blind and lame. I read a bible passage many years ago about a man who just by touching the hem of Jesus' garment was healed ... Jesus turned to the man and said, "it is by your faith that you are healed". I pondered that for many years and came to the self conclusion that Jesus was simply saying that our faith is our healer .... that energy force that belongs to God is in us and at our disposal. Jesus was simply a man ... a very intense man that by his shear presence people flocked to him. I'm assuming some of the so called healings where ingnited from hysteria, but I also believe that some of the healings were legitimate only that they came from within the individuals. Jesus turning around and saying to the man, "it is your faith that heals you" allowed for him to return the credit back to where the true source of the healing was from ... the God energy that is in all of us and as I've shared before I believe returns to God upon our death.
I see God as being neither good nor evil, "He" just is or "It just is.
I do believe that energy guided my husband and I. Some refer to it as the law of attraction, but what ever it was or is I refer to as God/energy.
I haven't the answers as most of us don't but something happened for us, something which I am and will always be thankful for, and for me I give that recognition to God.
All the horrible things that you spoke of are human caused yet we blame God for their occurance. What are most of us doing to stop the ugliness? ... not much.
You give to the world when you're giving your best to somebody else.

