Sexism

[billy]

sexism (countable and uncountable; plural sexisms)
The belief that people of one sex or gender are inherently superior to people of the other sex or gender.

The notion that either gender is smarter or stronger is sexism.

Unfair treatment or discrimination based on a difference of sex or gender.
The fact that there is only one woman in a management position in that
company makes it easy to believe that sexism runs rampant there.

Disadvantage or unequal opportunity arising from the cultural dominance of one gender over the other.
In order to succeed in this company, women generally must acquire various masculine traits, which only points out the underlying sexism.

Promotion or expectation or assumption of people to behave in accordance with or deviate from a gender role.

Hollywood contributes to sexism in our society by making and promoting violent films for men and romantic comedies for women.
Above taken from Wikitionary.

What are your opinions of the different treating of people based on gender? are you guilty of any sexist crimes?

[srijantje]

treating people differently because of their gender is unacceptable,except holding doors open and such.

[Touchstone]

The sexes are different. [So are races for that matter but that's a different issue.]

They're not of greater or lesser value, but they are different and pretending that they're not arguably causes more harm than good.

Men are on average physically stronger in absolute terms than women. The difference is measurable. To set lower entry requirements for police officers who are female is ridiculous. Sure 5 ft 6 in might be tall for a woman but its still shorter than most of the criminals she would be facing. It's much harder to intimidate someone when you're looking up at them than down. And it's much harder to take down someone who is bigger heavier and stronger than you are. Same for jobs such as firefighters, and soldiers.

Women on the other hand, are engineered by evolution to take care of babies--which means their brains are better at deciphering body language so they quite probably make better detectives (as opposed to beat cops) than men.

I'm not saying that no woman should ever be allowed to fight a fire or that no man should ever be able to become a detective. But I do think that insisting that women in general can do all jobs as well as men is ridiculous, blatantly untrue and detracts from the fact that they can actually do some jobs better than men.

The sexes are equivalent in value but they're not equal.

[srijantje]

i agree with that last sentence

[billy]

i can understand what both TS and moobs say and to a certain extent agree with both. (call me a fence sitter )

here's my take;

i think all jobs that require mainly physical abilities should have the same entry level for both sexes. same height same strength etc. the biggest question should be; are they capable of doing the job. the same goes for jobs requiring mental aptitude. it should be the same test for everyone and if they pass they get short-listed.
and again the same for jobs requiring digital dexterity. test and pick.

thing is and call me sexist if you will. i think there are times when only a male or female will do for certain jobs. i personally don't believe females should work in male prisons and vice versa. sometimes who works where has less to do with the job as it does with what environment your in.

often women are paid less than male counterparts. this is something i don't agree with.

what about in the homes. how many households have the male as the dominant head. i'd hazard a guess that despite women running households more than men, men in the main have alpha status. personally i think the household side of sexism is often worse than the workplace.

i like to think of myself as non sexist but i don't always act that way i try and make sure we have equal say in most matters but there's that word MOST. there are time when i put my foot down and there are times when she does. (i think i do it a little more than her though she usually gets her own way)

jmo

another side of sexism is gays, and while it's not really a sexism issue i feel it should be.we often treat them less than or differently than ourselves because of their sexual orientation. in the work place outside selective jobs they can get some pretty crappy treatment. i think some of those issues should also be addressed as being sexist.

[addy]

It would be nice if we were at the stage in the social discussion where we could just say "No one is superior or inferior, we're just different! Therefore frowning on sexism is outdated!" but this is a disingenuous argument to make when unwarranted sexism is still much too rampant. Just take billy's example about how few women we find in top executive positions, or how women's salaries are lower for many occupations. These have nothing to do with physical strength or build, and more to do with the "boys club" pockets of society that systematically weed out girls needlessly, starting from their earliest experiences ("boys go fishing with dad, girls stay to cook", "girls are bad at math, so boys are better scientists", "girls are indecisive, so they're not good bosses", etc etc etc). Lets make thing fair, then we can celebrate differences.

[billy]

what do know you're just a girl

i didn't mean the above, i was just showing i know what you're saying. like combating racism and disabilities
we are often told to fill a certain quota of black, women and disabled people within the workplace. it would as you say be good if
people didn't have to be told that we are all in the main equal.

okay there are some instances where maybe we can't get as many women builders of policemen etc but we should make sure the opportunity is there for those who wish to take it.

[Touchstone]

Re. female CEO's.

We don't live in an ideal world. No such place exists.

We live in the real world. Which has become the way it is as a result of millions of years of evolution, not as a result of a deliberate and calculated and exclusively male conspiracy.

Males ARE more aggressive than females. They went out and killed mammoths and as a result of the extra protein in the diet our species rose to dominate the earth. The abilities of human females contributed to that rise also, but in different and less overtly aggressive ways.

Consequently, men win the top jobs because they try harder for them (to their own detriment, when you look at heart attack statistics). That's not a conspiracy that's natural selection in practice. Women can rise to the top--there are female heads of corporations and female heads of state. But most of them don't because, quite simply, they don't have the killer instinct it takes.

To say that more women should be given the reins because that would be more "fair" is, frankly, arguing for lower standards. "We've evaluated the candidates for CEO and decided to give it to the one with the biggest tits." THAT would be sexist. Affirmative action undermines the people it is supposed to help.

[addy]

Consequently, men win the top jobs because they try harder for them

I don't quite agree. In fact I've noticed that women need to try harder than men just to get the same things men get by default. Have you noticed how women in top positions are often regarded as "bitches" and "ballcrushers"? They have to be tougher than the men just to rate. I call that bias.

[srijantje]

i grew up in a free and christian society where in big parts of the country children weren't allowed to play outside on sundays nor listen to the radio or have any fun at all,except going to church 3 times a day

[srijantje]

we exported a lot of those people to canada and south africa specially

[addy]

Just be glad that you grew up in a free and Christian society, and not in an Islamic one.

True enough. Though I'm not exactly ready to praise the church to high heavens for its feminism LOL

[billy]

It is bias.

Unfortunately, that is the way it is in most societies. People are biased.
Life isn't necessarily fair, it just is what it is.
Just be glad that you grew up in a free and Christian society, and not in an Islamic one.

a free and christian society, i nearly choked on that one. the christians here are trying to an rh bill that allows the poor free condoms. the Christians here and most else where are almost in the same box as Islamics. they both try and rule by fear. they both succeeded for a long time. god save me from the Christians

[srijantje]

Did you grow up here?

the town i grew up wasn't that bad[zwolle]but you didn't have to go out far
to get in the thick of the bible belt,luckily my parents and most of the rest of the fam.didn't want anything to do with churches ectc.

[billy]

i think the bible belts of many countries are getting thinner by the year. or at least having less effect as what happens i the world.

me bad just realized this was the sexism thread. i still can't understand why the catholics don't have female priests yet, if tey did it would cause them a lot less problems than they would have us think. for me i think we need a female pope, of course we'll never get one.

[srijantje]

i think the bible belts of many countries are getting thinner by the year. or at least having less effect as what happens i the world.

me bad just realized this was the sexism thread. i still can't understand why the catholics don't have female priests yet, if tey did it would cause them a lot less problems than they would have us think. for me i think we need a female pope, of course we'll never get one.

yes,a female pope might be far fetched,but in the end,if they think it's good for business they'll get one

[mrmod]

Young women face higher car insurance

Fair or unlawful?

[billy]

when i was in the uk some insurance companies gave women (all women) a discount for insurance.
though we all know the insurers use weird criteria to establish who pays what. one of the main ones is post codes.
if it's an inner city post code you pay more. and then thy use occupation. i think it pretty much balances out so young males pay the highest premiums.

[srijantje]

i'm sure there is a profit thought behind all of it,nothing to do with equalizing the genders

[mrmod]

Well prices for men will slowly decrease but prices for women will explode. I don't see how this makes sense.

Anti-sexism, too far?