Absolving Z
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Absolving Z


I knew - still do - a Russian emigree
who though a US resident for years
would still view Russian TV of a night
for solace from the gnawing daily need
to translate words and phrases constantly.

I ponder this and think I understand
how Russian people (who can only hear
one side and that a false one in the tongue
which passes into mind without a pause
to translate or to thoughtfully resist)

align with agitprop of crudity
that shocks us.  Their enthusiasm reigns–
informed by all their ears can purely hear–
synthetic, artificial, but sincere
for Putin’s lying semi-swastika.
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Very interesting read, a viewpoint I'd never have thought about without reading this poem.

Two suggestions:

The second hyphen belongs at the end of the next to last line, I think (after "sincere").

The last line doesn't quite make sense to me; I understand what you are saying:  Putin is afflicted with the same delusion as Hitler, restoring a lost empire, but I think there might be a better way to say it.  I think it's the swastika that throws me off.  It's such a loaded image.  Putin is a totalitarian but not exactly a fascist.
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(03-12-2022, 02:42 AM)TranquillityBase Wrote:  The last line doesn't quite make sense to me; I understand what you are saying:  Putin is afflicted with the same delusion as Hitler, restoring a lost empire, but I think there might be a better way to say it.  I think it's the swastika that throws me off.  It's such a loaded image.  Putin is a totalitarian but not exactly a fascist.

Take the "Z" symbol Putin has chosen, and his followers are now inscribing everywhere, superimpose another "Z" on it but rotated 90 degrees.  (Not an original observation with me.)  I originally had "half-a-Hakenkreuz" but didn't want to be obscure for English-speakers... apparently I am anyway  Blush .  Ties back to title.

The only more fascist leader I can think of at the moment is Xi.
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(03-12-2022, 04:46 AM)dukealien Wrote:  Take the "Z" symbol Putin has chosen, and his followers are now inscribing everywhere, superimpose another "Z" on it but rotated 90 degrees.  (Not an original observation with me.)  I originally had "half-a-Hakenkreuz" but didn't want to be obscure for English-speakers... apparently I am anyway  Blush .  Ties back to title.

The only more fascist leader I can think of at the moment is Xi.

Had not heard that Putin had chosen Z as some kind of emblem.  Or it was chosen for him I guess. Anyway line makes perfect and witty sense with that knowledge.  I grew up with the letter Z being a cultural symbol of quite a different guy, from the Costa-Gavras film in '69.  Different time zone  Wink
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(03-12-2022, 11:20 AM)TranquillityBase Wrote:  Had not heard that Putin had chosen Z as some kind of emblem.  Or it was chosen for him I guess. Anyway line makes perfect and witty sense with that knowledge.  I grew up with the letter Z being a cultural symbol of quite a different guy, from the Costa-Gavras film in '69.  Different time zone  Wink

Know the film, saw it when it first came out (the monochrome still frames as "power went out").  Dictatorship gets into everything, like a spice or a virus.
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I had the same problem as base -- Putin is close to if not already a Fascist (but he's definitely totalitarian), but he still comes too short of outright genocide of a particular scapegoated race to merit such a loaded comparison to the Nazis -- until you clarified something that should have been more obvious to me, with regards to the letter Z. Which, come to think of it, is a letter doubly suspect (as in, it's even more dubious why pro-war Russians should use it, which makes it so much closer to the swastika in terms of meaning), as the letter Z does not belong to either the Ukrainian or Russian forms of Cyrillic. The irony being that the symbol, in Russia, is associated with historical anti-fascist struggles, this invasion, after all, having been framed as "denazification": https://www.npr.org/2022/03/09/108547120...ia-ukraine

Interesting, but as a natively bilingual speaker, I feel the poem to be patently false. Good overall sentiment, the sympathy for the Russian people as a whole, whose history has been nothing but autocratic since the time of the tsars, with very brief windows of time when this autocracy, having been taken over by the people, actually worked for good, but I feel those two lines -- "which passes into mind without a pause / to translate or to thoughtfully resist" -- are what break this.

I live where both my native languages co-rule. Does propaganda in Filipino come more easily to me than propaganda in English? Perhaps it is because I do not have to translate English in my head, but at the same time Filipino will always be a language of comfort for me, and perhaps that is what contributes to me actively despising most forms of propaganda in that language. Filipino signifies familial love for me, the kind of love that, applied more universally, translates to the form of patriotism positive enough to resist the allure of empire, whether imposed upon us or imposed by us. Propaganda that otherwise distorts this -- say, Duterte preferring the vernacular when absolving himself of his extrajudicial murders -- I come to vehemently reject, perhaps moreso than if it were in the "colder, more intellectual, yet at the same time sexier, more romantic" language of English.

The lines before those two, as well as the last three lines of the poem overall, better "get" it, I think. It's not a matter of language -- another point, perhaps, is that a lot of Russian speakers speak at least three languages, Russian, English, and the language of their region: after all, Russia was and remains an Empire -- but a matter of exhaustion. When all you hear is propaganda, when all whom you hear doffs it disappears, and when you are yourself already struggling through poverty, then you cannot help but accept it, even champion it. Which, for all intents and purposes, is obvious, but people in such times too often forget the obvious -- hence why this poem, while wrong, I still feel is valuable.

On a more technical note, your command of meter is, as usual, enviable. xD

Oh, and on a more affable note: TranquilityBase, is it alright I keep referring to you by that name, or by "Base"? I feel like I've heard you referred to by a more proper name, but I keep forgetting what that name is.
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Thank you for that very thoughtful and enlightening reply.  I suspect Russian-speakers (in Russia) have less occasion to hear or read English than you do, so it would be more of a struggle (and my friend does still struggle to speak English, and sometimes to understand it, though fully immersed).

Cyrillic has a letter "и" (pron. "ee") which is like a Romanji "z" on its side and mirrored.  Speaking for myself, I can no longer think readily in German or even pronounce printed Russian.
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(03-12-2022, 01:28 PM)RiverNotch Wrote:  Oh, and on a more affable note: TranquilityBase, is it alright I keep referring to you by that name, or by "Base"? I feel like I've heard you referred to by a more proper name, but I keep forgetting what that name is.

No problem.  I'm happy to converse/respond to any name.  TranquilityBase seemed appropriate when I joined, because I had found a mental space that seemed like I was on the moon and pretty happy about it.  Alas, I got kicked out.  Not feelin' much tranquillity or distance from a scary world these days.

Tim also works, and is easier to type.
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