(09-21-2017, 07:10 AM)QDeathstar Wrote:  

(09-21-2017, 06:54 AM)Todd Wrote:  The deleted ones.

I deleted that one myself as soon as I posted it. It was about being called racist. First card that drops whenever you start talking about things like this.  I'm not racist, I have a black friend, and btw actions speak louder than words ever could. #clichedrop.

There were a few other's we didn't delete that are there as well. So, I really don't think there's any ambiguity that we need to clear up.

Online postings though are limited to words, so we have to evaluate those.

Leading the charge against offensive speakers on college campuses????

What charge are you leading? What battle are you fighting? What rights of yours are under threat?

I think, as I've said all a long, none of my rights are under threat. Whether or not I think statues should be removed or not has nothing to do with my rights. I'm definitely not making the free speech argument because honestly you have no right to free speech. That's a fallacy.

I'm not leading any charge. Im only responding.

The only battle I'm fighting is the one where we all pretend to care and be "genuinely" offended. No one gets offended when some yells "nigger". They point, yell back, then post it on the internet for likes, hoping it will go viral.

Then the talking heads talk about race in America and how it is impossible for the brother to get a fair shake, despite systematic attempts to prop him up*.

Then we have to listen to some criminals complain about police brutality and racism but typically at the end of the day the reason the police were called was because something illegal was going on. Does that justify shooting a guy in the back? No. But that's not racism, it's incompetence but in America racism is so sexy we aren't calling it anything but.


Racism exists. Focusing on it as a reason for your failures (on both sides) is a genuine waste of time. Nothing would piss a kkk card carrying hick worse than a successful black man.

My point is people who have a good life and a strong community do not think about race or statues any where but on the internet, unless they can make a buck off it.

(09-21-2017, 07:10 AM)QDeathstar Wrote:  

(09-21-2017, 06:54 AM)Todd Wrote:  The deleted ones.

I deleted that one myself as soon as I posted it. It was about being called racist. First card that drops whenever you start talking about things like this.  I'm not racist, I have a black friend, and btw actions speak louder than words ever could. #clichedrop.


Honestly I'm not going to apologize for something I said (then deleted) to make liberal white people feel better about thier past.

Personally and as admin here what offended me most was the comment you followed up with, something along the lines of "that was for the mods". Once deleted you knew only mods could see it and you made it clear you hadn't really deleted it, only in the eyes of general membership. I know our mods don't deserve that and I sincerely feel that you know that too.

Hence the sewer, where you can fuck the mods all you want, as if if their efforts aren't keeping this site a place you choose to show up at. Bad one this time, Q.

I deleted it myself, for the mods. Comment was pure troll so I deleted it. I posted it, deleted it, then remembered the mods would read it anyway. Also, I thought the topic was already in the sewer, hence the topic I made right after this one was locked.

(09-21-2017, 08:03 AM)QDeathstar Wrote:  I deleted it myself, for the mods.

Ah, I read it differently. I'm sure you can understand how I took it, those of us who habitate forums know the quick delete, honestly I have been at a loss to see why you were hostile to mods here. I'm glad we threw this around enough for that to come through. It doesn't make your deleted comment less vile but I'm glad you were able to clear up the mods comment.

I'm not hostile to the mods. The topic was locked and I'm fine with it. Said that in the second comment in this thread. I had avoided responding to Milo's post for that reason. You wanted the topic closed. That said, I'm did respond to this topic after it got restarted.

I got a out of hand, tried to add relief to the seriousness of the topic, many apologies, the Irish Asians aliens and animals deserved more thoughtful consideration from my part

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I thought qdeathstar was black from the beginning honestly, don't know why

(09-21-2017, 08:28 AM)CRNDLSM Wrote:  I got a out of hand, tried to add relief to the seriousness of the topic, many apologies, the Irish Asians aliens and animals deserved more thoughtful consideration from my part

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I thought qdeathstar was black from the beginning honestly, don't know why

Who knows, it's the internet, could be, peeps are crazy.

Does it matter if I'm black or white? It shouldn't... but it does.

(09-21-2017, 08:03 AM)QDeathstar Wrote:  I deleted it myself, for the mods. Comment was pure troll so I deleted it. I posted it, deleted it, then remembered the mods would read it anyway. Also, I thought the topic was already in the sewer, hence the topic I made right after this one was locked.

Thanks for acknowledging that what you were doing in that thread contravened the "no trolling or flaming outside the Sewer or Pig's Arse" rule and saving us the trouble. That you didn't know which forum it was in doesn't really constitute an excuse, but it was quite clear from your follow-up thread.

(09-21-2017, 08:45 AM)QDeathstar Wrote:  Does it matter if I'm black or white? It shouldn't... but it does.

Only your heart, Q.

me extremely bad, i meant to say read and "not" post. i thought closing it was a good move.

(09-20-2017, 06:08 PM)ellajam Wrote:  

(09-20-2017, 05:28 PM)billy Wrote:  it's still there to post in if people wish.

I closed it but you're welcome to reopen it if you'd like. I don't care, I'm done with it.

(09-21-2017, 07:49 AM)QDeathstar Wrote:  I think, as I've said all a long, none of my rights are under threat. Whether or not I think statues should be removed or not has nothing to do with my rights. I'm definitely not making the free speech argument because honestly you have no right to free speech. That's a fallacy.

I'm not leading any charge. Im only responding.

The only battle I'm fighting is the one where we all pretend to care and be "genuinely" offended. No one gets offended when some yells "nigger". They point, yell back, then post it on the internet for likes, hoping it will go viral.

Then the talking heads talk about race in America and how it is impossible for the brother to get a fair shake, despite systematic attempts to prop him up*.  

Then we have to listen to some criminals complain about police brutality and racism but typically at the end of the day the reason the police were called was because something illegal was going on. Does that justify shooting a guy in the back? No. But that's not racism, it's incompetence but in America racism is so sexy we aren't calling it anything but.


Racism exists. Focusing on it as a reason for your failures (on both sides) is a genuine waste of time. Nothing would piss a kkk card carrying hick worse than a successful black man.

My point is people who have a good life and a strong community do not think about race or statues any where but on the internet, unless they can make a buck off it.

This makes it clear that is was never really about the "opportunity forgone", now was it?

Honesty from the start makes for better discourse.

You have a problem - not with them taking statues down - but with WHY they are taking them down.

Feel free to explicate.

i do remember a "blackie" post that was offensive to me though i let it slide, i should have stood up deleted the post as it does break

6. Don't troll or flame. ***

the above being allowed in sewer. we have black people in the forum who i'm sure felt at least a little uneasy to see a fellow member using the term so lightly and without quotes and not being admonished for.


we are not 4chan, we do allow hard arguments, we don't allow shit that inflames for no reason other the working the lower jawbone.

(09-21-2017, 09:28 AM)milo Wrote:  [quote="QDeathstar" pid='233635' dateline='1505947773']
This makes it clear that is was never really about the "opportunity forgone", now was it?

Honesty from the start makes for better discourse.

You have a problem - not with them taking statues down - but with WHY they are taking them down.

There is no inconsistency in my argument. Why they are taking them down is waste. Why do i care about the waste? Because there is opportunity cost associated with the waste. It's not difficult to understand.


Although the essence of what you are saying is true Billy (It's my fault and i would have certainly been more retrained had i been paying more attention to where the topic was), I said blackie and I said whitie and I said hick. Interesting that you only had issue with certain epithets. Like it matters.

(09-21-2017, 10:03 AM)QDeathstar Wrote:  

(09-21-2017, 09:28 AM)milo Wrote:  [quote="QDeathstar" pid='233635' dateline='1505947773']
This makes it clear that is was never really about the "opportunity forgone", now was it?

Honesty from the start makes for better discourse.

You have a problem - not with them taking statues down - but with WHY they are taking them down.

There is no inconsistency in my argument. Why they are taking them down is waste. Why do i care about the waste? Because there is opportunity cost associated with the waste. It's not difficult to understand.

There is no opportunity cost to you for taking them down.  All of your arguments have been voided.  you have no opportunity cost objections to other obvious wastes (putting statues up for instance.

The why should be irrelevant other than that it makes others feel batter.

Why does it matter whether you judge those feelings /valid/ or not.

You complaints about Asian minorities?  Bastard children?  Drug?

Seriously.

You are embarrassing.

It is an opportunity cost for the people protesting for removal or against the removal. It's not difficult. And, incidentally removing the statues will not help the drug epedimic or the number of single mothers on welfare.

SO, If the state is going to spend 12million on something (opportunity cost here as well), i would rather them spend that money on those issues instead of some old hunks of rock. What is so difficult for you to understand about that?

You are trying to create logical fallacy where it doesn't exist because you want to win the argument without having to discuss the issues.


If we were tearing down statues to build affordable housing or a homeless shelter in its place, i would be fine with that. You are getting something in return. With this you get nothing but a bunch of angry people. On both sides of the argument. Which results in violence.

Your argument makes no sense. You are saying that respect for other peoples feelings should be enough to justify spending limited resources on removing statues. With the same breath, you are saying other people's feelings are invalid because of how you perceive their motivation for wanting to keep the statues.

"Why does it matter whether you judge those feelings /valid/ or not"

if you see the essence of my post, why qualify it with your response.

but i'll clarify, the post was insightful period, i pointed out the main reason as that reason has a lot more relevance than anything else. you also used whities, are you saying that is a mitigation for using the former? either are insightful i agree.

(09-21-2017, 10:03 AM)QDeathstar Wrote:  Although the essence of what you are saying is true Billy (It's my fault and i would have certainly been more retrained had i been paying more attention to where the topic was), I said blackie and I said whitie and I said hick. Interesting that you only had issue with certain epithets. Like it matters.

Just to point out i'm not any more of a racist than anyone else.