the thing in all this is,what is deemed to be reliable.one can argue that mainstream media work for big biz.they're owned by it,are big biz themselves.in this age of commerce they're all catering to sensationalism in order to get most viewers or listeners,so you get crap from both sides.the point is,nobody knows anymore if anything is based on facts or half truths,slanted this way or that.in the end you hear what you wanna hear and you see what you wanna see.

(04-29-2010, 12:37 PM)srijantje Wrote:  the thing in all this is,what is deemed to be reliable.one can argue that mainstream media work for big biz.they're owned by it,are big biz themselves.in this age of commerce they're all catering to sensationalism in order to get most viewers or listeners,so you get crap from both sides.the point is,nobody knows anymore if anything is based on facts or half truths,slanted this way or that.in the end you hear what you wanna hear and you see what you wanna see.

good point sj. though i'm sure if the main stream media found out obama were being blackmailed they'd shout about it louder than any crackpot site. (they do want viewers after all) would you agree with that?

fox would love to shout about it lmao.

somehow i think i'd sooner believe the mainstream. most give the same news out, even those opposed to each other. ( i really don't class fox as a bonifida news channel)

I def.agree with you.
I wouldn't class fox as a news channel at all,being a news channel you have to have at least some credibility ,of which they have none.

and what about the main stream media, don't you think they'd love some juicy news such as obama being blackmailed. do you think they'd kill the story of get it out as quick as they could so as to boost their rating?

yes i agree with you on that one,they wouldn't wait a sec.

(04-29-2010, 07:06 PM)srijantje Wrote:  yes i agree with you on that one,they wouldn't wait a sec.

so at least two of us agree on something.
now what would you say the odds are of all these blackmailed politians (basically all of them if infowars is to be believed.) keeping everything a secret.

personally i think you'd have more than one or three being found out in the period of a year.

and how hard would it be to actually blackmail the pres of the usa and get away with it?

again personally i'd say almost impossible


now to the point of him being a puppet,

why would he have to be, he's pres he can just fuck them all off. they'll still back him next time round if he does. fuck it was mainly kids and net donations that funded him.

and thats why i say infowars is tripe.

you could ask yourself where this guy came from though,i think shoved forward by his backers,chicago democratic mafia as they used to be called[major daley et all,remember?]which in turn is backed by big biz.no blackmail is needed,they're all wolves howling in the same woods as far as i'm concerned

Corruption is as difficult to intercept as Blackmail ..

(04-29-2010, 06:19 PM)billy Wrote:  and what about the main stream media, don't you think they'd love some juicy news such as obama being blackmailed. do you think they'd kill the story of get it out as quick as they could so as to boost their rating?

I think they would do a quick 30 second spot and then bury it. Thats what they do.
now what would you say the odds are of all these blackmailed politians (basically all of them if infowars is to be believed.) keeping everything a secret.
That site gets info from all over the place. Alot of the info I get is linked from that site to others. They are not mainstream, they expose mainstream and ask and answere all the hard questions. I personally think they are very credible. Especally if you do your own research as I do and find all other non bios non mainstream news leads to this site.
and how hard would it be to actually blackmail the pres of the usa and get away with it?
I would say pretty darn easy.

fuck it was mainly kids and net donations that funded him.

Thats a load if I have ever heard one.

(04-29-2010, 08:49 PM)srijantje Wrote:  you could ask yourself where this guy came from though,i think shoved forward by his backers,chicago democratic mafia as they used to be called[major daley et all,remember?]which in turn is backed by big biz.no blackmail is needed,they're all wolves howling in the same woods as far as i'm concerned

anyone who runs has backers.
that doesn't mean the winner is forced to break the law and sort them out.

@ dan;

corruption is much harder than blackmail to sort out.
blackmail often gets sorted out if the person being blackmailed is upstanding.

@benny;
i know info is not mainstream. i also know mainstream wouldn't run it for 30 seconds then try and hide it. sorr but thats preposterous.

and you've blackmailed how many presidents?

non bias non leads, the source is tripe and the guy at the head of it has been outed (publicly) as a right wing conspiracy theorist.

just a thought if blackmailing the pres is that easy i'm sure he must be getting blackmailed by at least a million ne'er do well's lmao.

i know info is not mainstream. i also know mainstream wouldn't run it for 30 seconds then try and hide it. sorr but thats preposterous.

Really? Dan Rather's live report on the collapse of world trade centerer 7 pops into my mind as a prime example.
As for infowars, I have links in threads all over this site that were gained from infowars great reporting.
Without non mainstream reporting the world would be left at the mercy of big bussiness and the way they spin things.

(04-30-2010, 06:26 AM)Benny2guns Wrote:  i know info is not mainstream. i also know mainstream wouldn't run it for 30 seconds then try and hide it. sorr but thats preposterous.

Really? Dan Rather's live report on the collapse of world trade centerer 7 pops into my mind as a prime example.
As for infowars, I have links in threads all over this site that were gained from infowars great reporting.
Without non mainstream reporting the world would be left at the mercy of big bussiness and the way they spin things.

wtf

they still showed the footage, even fought to get it on air the first.

that they haven't a clue whats going and that they try to speculate untill the reality of what happens next comes round is normal,

infowars my ass. it's a two bit radio station that can only get it's news from ruetrs and telephone calls. it hasn't the capacity to put people (reporters on the spot within anything like a short enough period of time for it to be realistic. it's a radio show for fucks sake that isn't affiliated.

it's all tripe.

they've been shown to be right wing conspiracy theorists. if people say thats what they are then i belive them.

utter utter tripe. not a provable fact in sight for 99 percent of the tripe it shows.

(04-30-2010, 06:35 AM)billy Wrote:  

(04-30-2010, 06:26 AM)Benny2guns Wrote:  i know info is not mainstream. i also know mainstream wouldn't run it for 30 seconds then try and hide it. sorr but thats preposterous.

Really? Dan Rather's live report on the collapse of world trade centerer 7 pops into my mind as a prime example.
As for infowars, I have links in threads all over this site that were gained from infowars great reporting.
Without non mainstream reporting the world would be left at the mercy of big bussiness and the way they spin things.

wtf

they still showed the footage, even fought to get it on air the first.

that they haven't a clue whats going and that they try to speculate untill the reality of what happens next comes round is normal,

infowars my ass. it's a two bit radio station that can only get it's news from ruetrs and telephone calls. it hasn't the capacity to put people (reporters on the spot within anything like a short enough period of time for it to be realistic. it's a radio show for fucks sake that isn't affiliated.

it's all tripe.

they've been shown to be right wing conspiracy theorists. if people say thats what they are then i belive them.

utter utter tripe. not a provable fact in sight for 99 percent of the tripe it shows.

YeeHaw, ridem cowboy. I'll ask you to prove what your saying about 99% of it being tripe. Not that I do or don't believe you but I personally go to great leingths to make sure that what I read there is backed up elsewhere before I post it elswhere.
Rathers story was hushed up really damn quick as I remember it. It gained it's full coverage through infowars and Alex Jones.

We're discussing Senator Lindsey Graham and blackmailing politicians. Infowars was relevant to the topic,Dan Rathers isn't. Let's not forget what the topic is here./mod

Going back on the article, it seems to me that William Gheen is nothing but a red-neck in a suit.

This is the speech that the article was written on.

[youtube]SG78fpj0P4M[/youtube]

Good speech, I liked it. Red neck, lol, is a word that describes the working man. The fellow that with the help of his fellow sun burned necked workers built every country on the planet. If he is a working man as I suspect he is then he seems to have hit the nail square on the head. We need more like him, especially in Canada.

(04-30-2010, 07:41 AM)Benny2guns Wrote:  Good speech, I liked it. Red neck, lol, is a word that describes the working man. The fellow that with the help of his fellow sun burned necked workers built every country on the planet. If he is a working man as I suspect he is then he seems to have hit the nail square on the head. We need more like him, especially in Canada.

actually it describes a lower class working man, there's a huge difference ;

The most common American usage, referring to the poor rural white Southerner, is probably derived from individuals having a red neck caused by working outdoors in the hot sun.[4] A citation from 1893 provides a definition as "poorer inhabitants of the rural districts...men who work in the field, as a matter of course, generally have their skin burned red by the sun, and especially is this true of the back of their necks"

doesnt the fact this guy was outed sort of prove my point that blackmail is hard to keep secret?

is someone being homosexual proof that he's actually being blackmailed?

wtf has that video got to do with lindsey being blackmailed.

what you just did is what infowars does. it clouds the issue and then makes wild statements. that vid has nothing at all to do with this thread.
it's just more rhetoric tripe form another right wing conspiracy theorist.

just more of another tripe artist. (not you, the guy in the vid)
up to now thats all i've seen in the vids and sources you've posted.

btw heres a couple of lines from the declaration of independence; that thing you say is really important; that thing from which grew the bill of rights you again think so highly of. the nex two line are what the bill of rights is all about.;

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

it seems it was okay for your forefathers to be immigrants (unless your a native canadian or a native american,) but not for anyone else.

people must speak english, yep...i can see how all the countries native people spoke english.

(04-30-2010, 08:26 AM)billy Wrote:  

(04-30-2010, 07:41 AM)Benny2guns Wrote:  Good speech, I liked it. Red neck, lol, is a word that describes the working man. The fellow that with the help of his fellow sun burned necked workers built every country on the planet. If he is a working man as I suspect he is then he seems to have hit the nail square on the head. We need more like him, especially in Canada.

actually it describes a lower class working man, there's a huge difference ;

The most common American usage, referring to the poor rural white Southerner, is probably derived from individuals having a red neck caused by working outdoors in the hot sun.[4] A citation from 1893 provides a definition as "poorer inhabitants of the rural districts...men who work in the field, as a matter of course, generally have their skin burned red by the sun, and especially is this true of the back of their necks"

doesnt the fact this guy was outed sort of prove my point that blackmail is hard to keep secret?

is someone being homosexual proof that he's actually being blackmailed?

wtf has that video got to do with lindsey being blackmailed.

what you just did is what infowars does. it clouds the issue and then makes wild statements. that vid has nothing at all to do with this thread.
it's just more rhetoric tripe form another right wing conspiracy theorist.

just more of another tripe artist. (not you, the guy in the vid)
up to now thats all i've seen in the vids and sources you've posted.

it's just more rhetoric tripe form another right wing conspiracy theorist.

How so?

just more of another tripe artist

Really? Can you prove that?

The most common American usage, referring to the poor rural white Southerner, is probably derived from individuals having a red neck caused by working outdoors in the hot sun.[4] A citation from 1893 provides a definition as "poorer inhabitants of the rural districts...men who work in the field, as a matter of course, generally have their skin burned red by the sun, and especially is this true of the back of their necks

Hey is that not what I said? All working class people are considered rednecks. The term is more often used to belittle someone as we all know. A tactic used by under handed politicians I might add or in the course of tring to discredit good information, much like the use of the word Tripe and many others.

(04-30-2010, 08:34 AM)Benny2guns Wrote:  it's just more rhetoric tripe form another right wing conspiracy theorist.

How so?

just more of another tripe artist

Really? Can you prove that?

The most common American usage, referring to the poor rural white Southerner, is probably derived from individuals having a red neck caused by working outdoors in the hot sun.[4] A citation from 1893 provides a definition as "poorer inhabitants of the rural districts...men who work in the field, as a matter of course, generally have their skin burned red by the sun, and especially is this true of the back of their necks

Hey is that not what I said? All working class people are considered rednecks. The term is more often used to belittle someone as we all know. A tactic used by under handed politicians I might add or in the course of tring to discredit good information, much like the use of the word Tripe and many others.

how so. okay i'll prove the way you do. people on the tv have said so publicly. i've given names in other posts. it's also in wiki as a verbatim quote.

all working class people are not considered rednecks. only lower working class namely people who work in fields in the southern states.
even southerners know the difference between a red neck and a shop worker.

i see it as tripe as do the majority.
it why it isn't classed as mainstream, it's why fox is classed as a joke channel.
it's why most people laugh at it and think tripe.
if it reads like tripe, and it sounds like tripe and most people think it's tripe what should i call it. good quality news?

naw i still think it's tripe. and i still say the last vid you showed was more tripe that had nothing to do with this thread.

utter tripe. just like infowars

(04-30-2010, 08:46 AM)billy Wrote:  

(04-30-2010, 08:34 AM)Benny2guns Wrote:  it's just more rhetoric tripe form another right wing conspiracy theorist.

How so?

just more of another tripe artist

Really? Can you prove that?

The most common American usage, referring to the poor rural white Southerner, is probably derived from individuals having a red neck caused by working outdoors in the hot sun.[4] A citation from 1893 provides a definition as "poorer inhabitants of the rural districts...men who work in the field, as a matter of course, generally have their skin burned red by the sun, and especially is this true of the back of their necks

Hey is that not what I said? All working class people are considered rednecks. The term is more often used to belittle someone as we all know. A tactic used by under handed politicians I might add or in the course of tring to discredit good information, much like the use of the word Tripe and many others.

how so. okay i'll prove the way you do. people on the tv have said so publicly. i've given names in other posts. it's also in wiki as a verbatim quote.

all working class people are not considered rednecks. only lower working class namely people who work in fields in the southern states.
even southerners know the difference between a red neck and a shop worker.

i see it as tripe as do the majority.
it why it isn't classed as mainstream, it's why fox is classed as a joke channel.
it's why most people laugh at it and think tripe.
if it reads like tripe, and it sounds like tripe and most people think it's tripe what should i call it. good quality news?

naw i still think it's tripe. and i still say the last vid you showed was more tripe that had nothing to do with this thread.

utter tripe. just like infowars

What vid??

the william gheen tripe

the one thats says;
senator graham has backed away
the amnesty legislation 7 days after this speech was
delivered in his back yard.

it isn't mentioned once in the vid. why
because it's pure and utter tripe.
it's just been stuck to make people think thats what the vid is about.

on the stage they call it misdirection.
in this usage i call it utter tripe. it has no bearing whatsoever on this discussion. it has no source of proof. it's just a paste stuck to the window
of tripe.

so the guys gay...so fucking what. wheres the proof he was being blackmailed?

and please don't speculate because speculation isn't proof,