(10-20-2016, 05:42 AM)Pdeathstar Wrote:  Rhyming is ok, but I think if you are writing about something serious rhyming doesn't work. If you're writing for some joyous occasion, rhyme away... But, if your writing about the death of an unborn fetus, rhyming will never work.

Abort


The doc got to work
and with a bit of a jerk,
pulled out parts of a fetus
that looked like uncle Cletus.


Maybe it does work?

Lemme try dis.


Texan Abortion Clinic


hard to choose?
hard to lose
woman's health?
got no wealth
heaven's lyre?
hanger wire

Nicely done.

(10-20-2016, 11:05 AM)just mercedes Wrote:  P.S. why the sexist vulgarity of Bullshit when cows excrete the same stuff?                   

Once again, you're wrong. 

Cows excrete cow shit. 


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nO! nO! They excrete feminine bovine (bovina?) poo.

I'm almost certain I've written a poem about that, but it probably rhymed, so obviously it can't be taken seriously...

I love rhyme when the tool is sharpened impeccably and used with a master's skill so that the marks it makes are barely visible but it pulls the poem along the way any well used tool does. There are some great examples on this site by some of out most skilled members.

For myself, I became interested in it when I came here and stared playing with forms. I love the challenge the puzzle of trying to match language with thought within the added challenge of meter, rhyme and whatever other guidelines come with each form. On occasion I can do one justice but it's always fun to try and I find all my work improved as a result.

Surely there are ways to keep it from sounding too sing-song for serious thoughts and there are still interesting rhymes to be discovered. And I'm not sure if the tetrameter diss was include in the quote but I love and respect that too.

(10-17-2016, 07:29 PM)ellajam Wrote:  Achebe wrote in a critique:

Quote:... particularly because all perfect rhymes in rhyme poor English have been done to death.

    Ludicrous.  
    Proof: RhymeZone 
    (Also a great place to find slant rhymes [my faves as well as Erthona's], Shakespeare, and whole bunches of boatloads more.)

    What's been done to death is "discussions" like this one. 

    Leanne, yet twice more,  summed it up:

(10-18-2016, 05:02 AM)Leanne Wrote:  Actually, since English is a language in a constant state of flux, all perfect rhymes have definitely not been done to death -- and even if they had, varying the surrounding words and context in unexpected ways revitalises the rhymes themselves.  As the Duke said, end rhyme seems to be unfairly vilified by contemporary poets but it's really just another tool in the box.  It's not the tool that's faulty, it's the way people use it.

(10-20-2016, 06:07 AM)Leanne Wrote:  Are we really doing this again?  

Rhyme, don't rhyme.  Serious, frivolous.  Your labels are bullshit.

There is poetry done well, and poetry not done well.  End of.

Who has to use an app?

so we can't use an app to find a rhyme? does that mean we can't use a dictionary to check a word. this is the modern age we can use what tools are available to us. back in the day it was just a hammer and chisel, now they can use sanders, electric saws and whatever else has been invented. it isn't just about the rhyme, it's about the context. and while there may not be a lot to rhyme with fountain and mountain we can be creative for god's sake; countin' shoutin' poutin' we don't have to be animals of predictability. it's just shite you're spoutin'

(10-21-2016, 08:17 PM)billy Wrote:  so we can't use an app to find a rhyme? does that mean we can't use a dictionary to check a word. this is the modern age we can use what tools are available to us. back in the day it was just a hammer and chisel, now they can use sanders, electric saws and whatever else has been invented. it isn't just about the rhyme, it's about the context. and while there may not be a lot to rhyme with fountain and mountain we can be creative for god's sake; countin' shoutin' poutin' we don't have to be animals of predictability. it's just shite you're spoutin'

Arrgghhhh....there we go again. My point was about perfect rhymes alone.
'Taint shite I'm spouting, you're changing the topic as you go along -
You could reinstate my earlier posts that I was perhaps wrong
to delete, but I was getting bored of the discussion, Signor Padrone.

of course i am. and for that i'm sorry, i was expanding the chat. can't we make up perfect rhymes; aren't we creating new words every day. things like lol and poll though i don't know what would rhyme with rotflma.

But what is the protocol for speaking text slang?  I always say the letters "L-O-L" if I'm reading it out loud, not "loll" ... which would make it rhyme with Tinkerbell rather than poll.  Which is correct?  And do you say "r-o-t-f-l-m-a-o" which would rhyme with something like "where you see waffles all my own." Or would you smush the letters into a word and say "rot-flam-oh" which would rhyme instead with "shot my toe."  Or when reading rotflmao in a poem would you still say the words "rolling on the floor laughing my ass off"  which then probably takes up the whole line and makes the poem's shape a little odd ... and then you'd simply be finding rhymes for the actual words, like  "....  photographing by standoff."  As you can see, I'm terrible at rhyme, but the point is ... how do you speak the abbreviations if used in a poem?  Letters, smush, or words?

lol rhymes with fellow fell, yellow bell, etc, plenty to choose from.

mellow hell, lol.

If I was going to say the words I would write them out.

That's a non-starter. There is a big difference discussing aesthetics in a work of art as opposed to the vastness of an entire language. One might as well make the statement that the ocean is better than the mountains. If one says I like the ocean better than the mountains then it really is just a matter of preference, however to say the "Starry Night" is no better than the doddle I drew on my brother's ass while he was passed out; a case can be easily made for one over the other. So in trying to rebut what I said, all you did is create a false analogy. Language is not a work of art, but one of trail, error, experimentation, response to the environs in which it arose and time. To make a statement that say such and such language is more beautiful, or superior than another only exposes ones cultural bias. In terms of alliteration, it is simply a tool, used well it can enhance a poem/prose, used poorly it can create a hot mess. The rule of alliteration is, if it is obvious, then it is being used to often.  Regardless, it is simply silly to compare languages, there will never be a consensus and rightly so.

 

dale

(10-21-2016, 11:13 PM)Quixilated Wrote:  But what is the protocol for speaking text slang?  I always say the letters "L-O-L" if I'm reading it out loud, not "loll" ... which would make it rhyme with Tinkerbell rather than poll.  Which is correct?  And do you say "r-o-t-f-l-m-a-o" which would rhyme with something like "where you see waffles all my own." Or would you smush the letters into a word and say "rot-flam-oh" which would rhyme instead with "shot my toe."  Or when reading rotflmao in a poem would you still say the words "rolling on the floor laughing my ass off"  which then probably takes up the whole line and makes the poem's shape a little odd ... and then you'd simply be finding rhymes for the actual words, like  "....  photographing by standoff."  As you can see, I'm terrible at rhyme, but the point is ... how do you speak the abbreviations if used in a poem?  Letters, smush, or words?

I vote for smushing, ala "rot-flam-oh."

shot my toe
just like Plaxico
made everybody go
rotflmao

The real question now is: where would the syllable stresses lie? Can't really write in meter if that isn't established.

(10-21-2016, 07:26 PM)Leanne Wrote:  Who has to use an app?

No one has to; just like no one needs to know how evolution works.
It comes down to where we'd prefer to spend our silly time milling about before demise.
(Not to mention that in the realm of Aussie-speak, RhymeZone's hopelessly wrong.)

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And on that other topic:

Acronyms are lower case so "dilligaf" would rhyme with "epitaph" and "DILLIGAF" would entail
expanding it out to the individual words.
(Though to be totally proper I guess you'd have to use "D. I. L. L. I. G. A. F." .)

But for ones like "smb", "kmrra", "smbff" -- determining their accentual proclivities are the least of our problems.

And what does "FUCK" stand for?