(07-03-2014, 03:14 AM)NobodyNothing Wrote:  that search for elegance and simplicity of theory and equation amongst all the intricate complexities of time, space, matter and motion. I'll blame it on that.

I'm going to make that my new excuse for everything I should have done but never got around to. Thanks

(07-03-2014, 03:23 AM)trueenigma Wrote:  No worries or regrets. press press on. brave reading. It will turn your brain to mush. Someone told me the other day that poetry is language at a quantum level. splat.

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I love quantum physics and quantum mechanics. string theory is painful though. "look, my idea has an internalized consistancy and can never be proved or disproved."

The worms are still proliferating out of the can of string theory. "Guess what? There's really no such thing as matter/particles per se anymore. What you think of as such is just closed and open-ended strings vibrating particles interactively into being."

Okay. Got it. lol

What's interesting to me about science/scientific theory is that it's become more or less plausibly commensurate to just about anything our minds are capable of imagining.

Anyway...you cool.

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(07-03-2014, 03:38 AM)ellajam Wrote:  

(07-03-2014, 03:14 AM)NobodyNothing Wrote:  that search for elegance and simplicity of theory and equation amongst all the intricate complexities of time, space, matter and motion. I'll blame it on that.

I'm going to make that my new excuse for everything I should have done but never got around to. Thanks

You're welcome. Glad to be of service.

Any scientific theory that ends on "per se" I reject just because of that.

But I adore the string theory, and if you get around to reading some of my more complex poems, you will see that tangents and double, triple layers are just my thing. (I can call it poetic parallel planes) --oh dear...I've gone and made shit up again.

My father was a science professor before he retired. You can get lost in science.

cheers,

mel.

the repetition is often too much of a hammer blow. everything can be said in many different ways, an odd repetition or two in a long poem by all means but in general i'd go for a simile/metaphor meaning a similar thing to push home the central theme. many long poems (and some of the shorter ones) use extended metaphor that point to a common theme. and example outside poetry, murderers always murder in a different place. no two are exactly the same even if we think they are, they can all be given an alternative explanation as to how they happened. the reader still knows it's a bout murder. if you think the repetition you used is okay, then run with it. for me in this instance it takes something away from the poem.
the beatles stuff worked because it was music and the chorus is seen as refrain, the non refrain parts worked because it was put to a melody while being one of the better sets of song writers, most of their music would not pass as good poetry. good music yes, good poetry not so much,

(06-28-2014, 01:57 PM)NobodyNothing Wrote:  ^^^ I don't know. Life to me (and I think to most) is a back and forth between simplicity and complexity. Almost every great scientist I've read echoes this thought. Look at the Beatles. Why were they so great? Most of all, it's because they created so many simple melodies that stuck in people's hearts and minds. You can hum such melodies and people will remember them. So many pop artists try and try and try to create just one that will stick in people's minds. They created 70-80.

Yet I don't think people would accuse the Beatles of lacking in complexity in their career as artists.

Maybe that's a poor example...

As an educator, the learning process itself is one of opening oneself to the unknown, fostering that sense of disequilibrium in oneself. Over time, you mature your thought processes, you come to certain realizations, moments of clarity and simplicity. Pretty normal part of the learning process.

Anyway...