(03-24-2010, 07:04 PM)billy Wrote:  Thing is that if we expect to ever get into something better we need to work together to find it.

above is what you said. and yes i definitely agree. but it will never happen. not without force or cohersion. we cant as a species agree on anything let alone work together.

also think of this. can you imagine giving every person in a the world a car?
or would there be restrictions?

would anything be restricted or will we all get one of everything? what about land. what if we all want a house with a little garden. you saying everone can have one? somehow i cant see it. one of the main stubling blocks is who gets the first ones of each thing made. who gets the first house. the car the first garden etc. who get the real expenisive cancer treatment?

also think of this. can you imagine giving every person in a the world a car?
or would there be restrictions?
Your Question above is answered in the information in the links as well as all of the others you have...just have a look for crying out loud it's why I went to the trouble to put it up. If after you have consumed that info you have questions they will be productive ones that have not already been asked and if they have may not have been answered. Then we will have something to work with. Thats why people put information packages together....to get you up to speed before you start being repetitive.
Off topic....your on vacation so GTF off the computer and visit your family!

(03-24-2010, 07:19 PM)Benny2guns Wrote:  

(03-24-2010, 07:04 PM)billy Wrote:  Thing is that if we expect to ever get into something better we need to work together to find it.

above is what you said. and yes i definitely agree. but it will never happen. not without force or cohersion. we cant as a species agree on anything let alone work together.

also think of this. can you imagine giving every person in a the world a car?
or would there be restrictions?

would anything be restricted or will we all get one of everything? what about land. what if we all want a house with a little garden. you saying everone can have one? somehow i cant see it. one of the main stubling blocks is who gets the first ones of each thing made. who gets the first house. the car the first garden etc. who get the real expenisive cancer treatment?

also think of this. can you imagine giving every person in a the world a car?
or would there be restrictions?
Your Question above is answered in the information in the links as well as all of the others you have...just have a look for crying out loud it's why I went to the trouble to put it up. If after you have consumed that info you have questions they will be productive ones that have not already been asked and if they have may not have been answered. Then we will have something to work with. Thats why people put information packages together....to get you up to speed before you start being repetitive.
Off topic....your on vacation so GTF off the computer and visit your family!

i did look and read lol. and my gkids are in school and my kids are at work and i'm all alone

that the system we have now is obsolete is obvious to me.i will def.delve further into the ideas these people have come up with,i just scratched the surface

(03-24-2010, 07:29 PM)bob5695 Wrote:  *off-topic*

(03-24-2010, 07:25 PM)billy Wrote:  i'm all alone

i'll shed a crocodile tear for you, buddy.

sorry bob.

it would be a fantastic thing if were to work the way they invision it working.
i just think people will be the biggest stumbling block. we can't agree on anything at the very best of times.

(03-24-2010, 07:36 PM)billy Wrote:  

(03-24-2010, 07:29 PM)bob5695 Wrote:  *off-topic*

(03-24-2010, 07:25 PM)billy Wrote:  i'm all alone

i'll shed a crocodile tear for you, buddy.

sorry bob.

it would be a fantastic thing if were to work the way they invision it working.
i just think people will be the biggest stumbling block. we can't agree on anything at the very best of times.

I agree and it will have to start with teaching the young another way. At presant they are force fed the current system from all sides and untill we can break the circle created by the monitary system it will not be an easy task. The root of allmost all arguments and trouble in the world is in fact money and power. Those two are in fact the same thing. We need to remove it as a root cause. People want a better life for themselves and their young. People want all people to have the same thing. Well most people anyway. If you remove money, you remove the people that are opposed to the latter.
To my mind it is simple and plane as day. To most people I beleive it is the same way. We just need to get together and do it. Can it be worse than what is happening now? I for one think not.

the concept is good. getting it to work is another thing.
in general people want to see something work before they take part. it's a catch 22 for all new concepts.
and even then you'll have too many people trying to make it work better for them than it would for others. they'll use shit like blackmail, fear or cheating to control it.

if we were at that stage in our development where we were all decent people capable of real sharing, giving and participating in somethin on an equal footing we wouldn't need to be show, it would be the natural thing to do.

(03-25-2010, 12:07 AM)billy Wrote:  the concept is good. getting it to work is another thing.
in general people want to see something work before they take part. it's a catch 22 for all new concepts.
and even then you'll have too many people trying to make it work better for them than it would for others. they'll use shit like blackmail, fear or cheating to control it.

if we were at that stage in our development where we were all decent people capable of real sharing, giving and participating in somethin on an equal footing we wouldn't need to be show, it would be the natural thing to do.

I think most of us are at that point but are so preocupied with paying and putting food on the table that they have no time but to work on the system that exsists.
You allow them the time to look at a new system and give them the choice and I think the monetary system and all of the power moguls will be out in a flash and the new system in place, working out the kinks as they went.
Not a lot of people as yet have knowledge that this project even exists even though it has been over 5 decades in the making. The main stream media dos not cover it for obvious reasons. The most important of which is the threat level to the existing system and the elite that own it.

Talk about a catch 22... the thing with good ideas like this is that it needs to be imposed first, because it's hard to get every single person on board no matter how decent an idea is. Just look at the abolition of slavery... it caused a war that nearly tore the country apart. In the end though, it was the right thing to do no matter how you look at it.

true addy but imposing it on us would defeat it's object.
and in truth it would be harder to impose than the abolistion of slavery.
this is something a war couldn't change. for this to work we have to want to change enough for it to work.
most dreams are out of reach. this one in my mind is little different

(03-25-2010, 05:03 PM)billy Wrote:  true addy but imposing it on us would defeat it's object.

Yeah, and that's the irony of it. You're right, maybe this is too much of an ideal at the moment.

(I miss you billy )

aw xxx huggs (addy ))))))

i suppose looking forward to an ideal can't be bad. not if in the long run it's helps us progress with a positive social attitude.