(03-08-2010, 11:29 AM)billy Wrote:  

(03-08-2010, 07:27 AM)Benny2guns Wrote:  You seem to be tring to break up this thing and make it ok for some things and maybe not for others.
I think at this time any kind of RFID that is taking place needs to either stop or be circumvented period. Thats a fairly to the point statement.
In the hands of the presant system of rule it will with out a doubt be used as a weapon of control. Thats another one.
This need to track my kids is not one that I support. Thats another one.
It's true that some kids are skipping school and thats another one.
I don't believe that tracking them by RFID is the answer and there I go again in support of freedom.
All things electronic can already be tracked...OMG what did he say?
RFID is a bad idea and thats a fact. I have already supplied the facts and have plenty more to waste. Hell yes I said that too.
Where you live is one of the worst spots in the world for corruption or am I mistaken? Your government is in full support of this type of technology is it not?

what facts? that rfid exists? who said it doesn't.
maybe tracking those who are blatant truants won't solve the problem but i bet it cuts it down.

Where you live is one of the worst spots in the world for corruption or am I mistaken? Your government is in full support of this type of technology is it not?

the above statement what does it have to do with truancy. here kids sell their bodies so they can go to school. i suppose thats part of the elitist plan as well? many of these kids here would love to have an rfid tag on them in school. they'd actually love anything if it meant them going to school. sadly the rfid isn't in place on kids here as they don't have the same problem. so no benny the gov is not in support. nor are the elite or new world order who back it.

and yes, of course i think somethings are okay and some things aren't okay. i'm a complex person with more than one meme.

not everyone is out to rule the world. some of us may just want to know where our kids are during the day.

johnny has never came to school all week doesn't and shouldn't cut it anymore. we as a society owe it to ourselves and our kids to do everything in our power to make sure they get educated. if shoving an rfid device up their ass for the duration of the school period helps one kid get that education , then i'm all for it. new world order or not.

I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum and all the conditions that exist where you are do every where else as well. There is nothing special about your little corner other than it is what you see in plain site every day, me also.
Problem is that you open a crack and they drive in a wedge while your watching. They are using our kids to open the crack. Here the schools are paid for by one form of tax or another and I am speculating it's the same most places. The government sets up the system and if they were not getting what they paid for they would change it.
First it's tracking then it's financially base currency. Your whole life depending on whether or not that chip is turned on or off. Starts with a small crack to get it in play and thats all it takes.
I want to call you names and shit but I won't...it won't help you.

actually schooling as such is not free here benny.
they have barrio schools of course but education is paid for with hard work. people (many people) here go hungry (real not eat for two or three days hungery) in order to give their kids a chance to play truant.

if canada is a third world country then yes, the education systems the same. i've been all over the world benny and what i see here does not happen the world over. it only happens where real poverty exists on a countrywide scale. here poor people don't get food stamps. here is where you new world order forgot to visit when it comes to truancy and education. here is the pimple on the arsehole of world educationally speaking.

sometimes speculation is easier than knowledge. not everywhere is the same. and simply visiting somewhere never shows the reality of it.
canada, the usa nor the uk is anything like this little place i live in.

some parents here would literally die in order to give their kid an education. and when i say die, i mean die. my maid sends almost everything she earns to send her kids to school. the kids are 17 and going through a provincial college so he can do computer repairs. and the younger one is about 11. she see them once a year for a two or three weeks. the kids live on their own and have been doing so for the last 3 or 4 years. because they lost what ever they owned ina a mud slide which wipe the whole town out. this isn't a one off story for many it's the norm so don't compare the like of canada with here . here the indigenous people don't get tax breaks and cheap reservation smokes. they would love to be tagged though.

the west control it's peoples with the help of guns. the police have them the national guard have them all the security agencies have them.

and they use them. they use side arms, automatic weapons and tazers.

the reason i bring this up because in fact you are also selective with things. i don't hear asking for the banning of firearms? why not?

pc's are used in the monitoring of our everyday lives. i don't hear you asking for tem to be banned. again with the mobile phone that can be tracked down, no matter where it is. most technology is the same yet you don't want these things banned? no you want a tag banned that lets a parent know when it leaves school property.

in truth without the pc and telecommunication equipment none of this shit would be possible so why not go straight to the source and close these things down. that way students couldn't be tagged

Thank you for the information bill and it is as you say not as bad as that here but we do have cops in our schools and a bad drug problem. The schooling is for the most part paid public schooling but the kids get turned out not being able to read or write by the droves. They can't even make change for a dollar in the stores without a calculate and thats no joke. These are kids with grade 12 bill.
When I went to school, by the time I hit the 4th grade I could read and write and new my times tables by heart as did 99% of the kids that went to school with me. The system has been taken apart and put back together with turning out a dumb labor force as it's objective. Thats a fact here bill.
If you want your kids to get a real education here that will actually mean something to them for their future we have to do the same thing here. We have to buy it for them. It is so expensive that the majority can never afford it. Most Young people that go to school after grade 12 do so through school loans that if they are lucky and land a job in their field they may one day get out of debt. I know people that can't find work in their field of study, alot of them. You see people with 5 and 6 years of university working at flipping burgers to pay of their loans.
Christ I had a full blown engineer working for me pounding nails at one point bill. Things are getting worse all over the world and this technology will not improve the situation. Third world will not get any better for it. Third world will be the first world to go in the population control effort that is taking place. The people are not important there but the land and what ever resources you do have are. RFID will only aid in the global plan. Thats how I see it anyway.
EDIT: The sad fact of the matter is that there is no way to shut down the world wide computer based system now. We can only hope to put people at the wheel that are elected and trustworthy enough to do the right thing by way of the rest of us. At presant we do in fact know that the people in power are not the people we elect. The people in power have only their own in mind and we are no more than a commodity to be bought and sold, to be in great or in short supply as they see fit.
Cell phones I could and do live without but again it's not the same thing. At some point having one of these chips implanted will not be a choice but it will be forced on us. Thats the point I do want to make and to stop. When life and death depend on being tagged with an RFID chip is nothing to aspire to and in order to avoid this happening we have to put a stop to it no matter how much you may think it will benefit truancy. It's not worth it.
By the way it's pretty hard to track a person with a desk top PC when I'm going across country in my antique auto with no cell phone and cash in my pocket. I would really like to keep it that way.

so basically your saying the internet is bad and shouldn't be allowed?

and actually cell phones are pretty much the same thing except they're external. they can all be traced globally to with meters of where they on the planet.

as for track you why would the they want to. you have an ddress don't you.

you don't think they could track you if they had a mind too just because you have no mobile phone and no credit card. stop it benny.

if they wanted to they could and would and there's jack shit you could do about it. that shit is here already and it's here to stay.

tagging potential truants has nothing to do with that kind of big brother sensationalism stuff. but what happems is this.

people take an everyday object and turn it into a weapon. that pens a murder weapon, that newspaper's a murder weapon.

well sorry but thats not me. a tag is tag. a gun is a gun and a pen is pen. it doesn't bother that they get used. as long as they get used properly. if my kid is school tagged during school hours, fine. if they monitor him outside school hours, not fine. if a person writes with a pen fine, if they stick it in someones eye and kill them then not fine.

they'll do this and they'll do that with something doesn't work for me. once you go down that path you really begin to erode people's freedoms. again i point to weapons such as guns. why not ban them seeing as they're being used by the elite to control us. oh that's right you hunt with yours don't you. the elite aren't flooding the streets with guns in order to keep the populace killing each other in order to keep them from bettering themselves.

i'll ban the tag if you ban the gun.

(03-08-2010, 02:45 PM)billy Wrote:  so basically your saying the internet is bad and shouldn't be allowed?
Where did I say this?

and actually cell phones are pretty much the same thing except they're external. they can all be traced globally to with meters of where they on the planet.
Where did I say this?

as for track you why would the they want to. you have an ddress don't you.
No actually I do not have one that you can track and it was not easy

you don't think they could track you if they had a mind too just because you have no mobile phone and no credit card. stop it benny.
Why would they as your about to say?

if they wanted to they could and would and there's jack shit you could do about it. that shit is here already and it's here to stay.
Actually if you need to be animus it can be done

tagging potential truants has nothing to do with that kind of big brother sensationalism stuff. but what happems is this.
Your absolutly wrong

people take an everyday object and turn it into a weapon. that pens a murder weapon, that newspaper's a murder weapon.
It's not a stretch but your on your way

well sorry but thats not me. a tag is tag. a gun is a gun and a pen is pen. it doesn't bother that they get used. as long as they get used properly. if my kid is school tagged during school hours, fine. if they monitor him outside school hours, not fine. if a person writes with a pen fine, if they stick it in someones eye and kill them then not fine.
It does bother me and now your no longer free.

they'll do this and they'll do that with something doesn't work for me.
Why not the track record is there and your so well read.

once you go down that path you really begin to erode people's freedoms. again i point to weapons such as guns. why not ban them seeing as they're being used by the elite to control us. oh that's right you hunt with yours don't you. the elite aren't flooding the streets with guns in order to keep the populace killing each other in order to keep them from bettering themselves.
Your right, the elite are not doing it to control us they are doing it to profit and they don't care less if we kill ourselves, in fact the more the merrier

i'll ban the tag if you ban the gun.
RFID will render my shotguns usless anyway.

(03-08-2010, 04:09 PM)Benny2guns Wrote:  

(03-08-2010, 02:45 PM)billy Wrote:  so basically your saying the internet is bad and shouldn't be allowed?
Where did I say this?
The sad fact of the matter is that there is no way to shut down the world wide computer based system now.

and actually cell phones are pretty much the same thing except they're external. they can all be traced globally to with meters of where they on the planet.
Where did I say this?
i said it because you apparently go out without one for fear of being tracked

as for track you why would the they want to. you have an ddress don't you.
No actually I do not have one that you can track and it was not easy stop it benny. yes you do.

you don't think they could track you if they had a mind too just because you have no mobile phone and no credit card. stop it benny.
Why would they as your about to say?
so why would they if you had a tag for school hours?

if they wanted to they could and would and there's jack shit you could do about it. that shit is here already and it's here to stay.
Actually if you need to be animus it can be done not by the likes of us it can't if you've ever been on the run you'd know this.

tagging potential truants has nothing to do with that kind of big brother sensationalism stuff. but what happems is this.
Your absolutly wrong no benny i'm right. missusing it for other purposes may have something to do with it but not tagging for truants.

people take an everyday object and turn it into a weapon. that pens a murder weapon, that newspaper's a murder weapon.
It's not a stretch but your on your way
and how many people do you know apart from on tv who've been killed with a bic?

well sorry but thats not me. a tag is tag. a gun is a gun and a pen is pen. it doesn't bother that they get used. as long as they get used properly. if my kid is school tagged during school hours, fine. if they monitor him outside school hours, not fine. if a person writes with a pen fine, if they stick it in someones eye and kill them then not fine.
It does bother me and now your no longer free.

they'll do this and they'll do that with something doesn't work for me.
Why not the track record is there and your so well read.well if you know what thier track record is they're not very fuckin elite are they or very clever.

once you go down that path you really begin to erode people's freedoms. again i point to weapons such as guns. why not ban them seeing as they're being used by the elite to control us. oh that's right you hunt with yours don't you. the elite aren't flooding the streets with guns in order to keep the populace killing each other in order to keep them from bettering themselves.
Your right, the elite are not doing it to control us they are doing it to profit and they don't care less if we kill ourselves, in fact the more the merrier

so why vote for the gun law?

i'll ban the tag if you ban the gun.
RFID will render my shotguns usless anyway.

it's all good for the anti hunting brigade then. at least someone wins.

for me the world isn't all gloom and doom.

nor is tagging a persistent truant. when their at school thats where they should be at. like i say, i'd personally bring back corporal punishment and whip the the fuckers. oh, but we can't do that cos the screaming liberals say it's wrong to chastise your kids.

well sorry benny but i'd much sooner embrace the so called elite than see a conspiracy round every corner. so yes lets say i'm very very pro elite.

(03-08-2010, 06:01 PM)billy Wrote:  

(03-08-2010, 04:09 PM)Benny2guns Wrote:  

(03-08-2010, 02:45 PM)billy Wrote:  so basically your saying the internet is bad and shouldn't be allowed?
Where did I say this?
The sad fact of the matter is that there is no way to shut down the world wide computer based system now.

lol i was just stating a fact not what I wanted.

and actually cell phones are pretty much the same thing except they're external. they can all be traced globally to with meters of where they on the planet.
Where did I say this?
i said it because you apparently go out without one for fear of being tracked

No I just don't have one, I did but it was a curse, always ringing, it was merly to make a point that I personaly can not be tracked by one.

as for track you why would the they want to. you have an ddress don't you.
No actually I do not have one that you can track and it was not easy stop it benny. yes you do.

No I really do not bill, honestly.

you don't think they could track you if they had a mind too just because you have no mobile phone and no credit card. stop it benny.
Why would they as your about to say?
so why would they if you had a tag for school hours?

Because thats what they are intend for bill

if they wanted to they could and would and there's jack shit you could do about it. that shit is here already and it's here to stay.
Actually if you need to be animus it can be done not by the likes of us it can't if you've ever been on the run you'd know this.

I have and that is indeed why I have no known address bill, it's a carry over that I never saw a reason to change.

tagging potential truants has nothing to do with that kind of big brother sensationalism stuff. but what happems is this.
Your absolutly wrong no benny i'm right. missusing it for other purposes may have something to do with it but not tagging for truants.

No bill your wrong, allowing them to be used for this purpose is allowing them a foot in the door.

people take an everyday object and turn it into a weapon. that pens a murder weapon, that newspaper's a murder weapon.
It's not a stretch but your on your way
and how many people do you know apart from on tv who've been killed with a bic?

Personally no one but as chance would have it I did stab some one with a pencil once, lol.

well sorry but thats not me. a tag is tag. a gun is a gun and a pen is pen. it doesn't bother that they get used. as long as they get used properly. if my kid is school tagged during school hours, fine. if they monitor him outside school hours, not fine. if a person writes with a pen fine, if they stick it in someones eye and kill them then not fine.
It does bother me and now your no longer free.

they'll do this and they'll do that with something doesn't work for me.
Why not the track record is there and your so well read.well if you know what thier track record is they're not very fuckin elite are they or very clever.

I was thinking about the more obvious as in atomic power bill.

once you go down that path you really begin to erode people's freedoms. again i point to weapons such as guns. why not ban them seeing as they're being used by the elite to control us. oh that's right you hunt with yours don't you. the elite aren't flooding the streets with guns in order to keep the populace killing each other in order to keep them from bettering themselves.
Your right, the elite are not doing it to control us they are doing it to profit and they don't care less if we kill ourselves, in fact the more the merrier

so why vote for the gun law?

I am not sure I follow you and I could honestly care less as I and mine will always have weapons legal or not.

i'll ban the tag if you ban the gun.
RFID will render my shotguns usless anyway.

it's all good for the anti hunting brigade then. at least someone wins.

for me the world isn't all gloom and doom.

It's not for me either but the minute you stop looking out for your self and others around you is the minute you may loose what you hold dearest.

nor is tagging a persistent truant. when their at school thats where they should be at. like i say, i'd personally bring back corporal punishment and whip the the fuckers. oh, but we can't do that cos the screaming liberals say it's wrong to chastise your kids.

well sorry benny but i'd much sooner embrace the so called elite than see a conspiracy round every corner. so yes lets say i'm very very pro elite.

Thats too too bad bill, just because the country you live in has already been fucked over does not mean that I will let mine go the same way without a fight big guy. You can be as pro as you wish in that flea bitten little corner of the world.
I forget that Most of you live in parts of the world that have never known real freedom in the sense that I have so loosing what I call freedom means nothing to you really. I am sorry for what you have been missing and if I had it my way I would change it for all of you, really I would. I wish you could relate I truly do but reading books or having a short visit in no way relates what it is to be free. You can only see through your own minds and the way the system you were raised in allows you to. Sad really but it works very well for oppressors.
Cold day in hell when RFID hits my home and if I can have any part in it I'll see to it that it never gets to you either.
You may be Pro elite but I am Pro freedom and power to the people.
Like it, don't like it, I do not give two shits.

(03-08-2010, 07:22 PM)Benny2guns Wrote:  Thats too too bad bill, just because the country you live in has already been fucked over does not mean that I will let mine go the same way without a fight big guy. You can be as pro as you wish in that flea bitten little corner of the world.
I forget that Most of you live in parts of the world that have never known real freedom in the sense that I have so loosing what I call freedom means nothing to you really. I am sorry for what you have been missing and if I had it my way I would change it for all of you, really I would. I wish you could relate I truly do but reading books or having a short visit in no way relates what it is to be free. You can only see through your own minds and the way the system you were raised in allows you to. Sad really but it works very well for oppressors.
Cold day in hell when RFID hits my home and if I can have any part in it I'll see to it that it never gets to you either.
You may be Pro elite but I am Pro freedom and power to the people.
Like it, don't like it, I do not give two shits.

again more assumption. believe it or not the philippines now has more freedom than most countries have. it's one of the reason they have no decent health or education, one of the reasons they have no welfare. funny enough most third world countries have better freedom than canada or the usa. the people her can hunt fish live and grow starve etc. it's only as a third world develops into a first world does it's freedom start being eroded both socially and legally. you think canada has more freedom. a short visit you say. i live here benny. and i've lived in the so called free world...it's not so free that free world you speak of. you want real freedom live in a third world. you think i gain experience from reading books lmao. from books i get insights. i get my experience of the world from living in it. and for me tagging a persistent truant is all good. people power is dead. the people gave up. they cry if we go to war, they cry if we don't go to war. the cry if we take in immigrants, they cry if we don't take in immigrants. people power has failed. they can't and that means canada as well, even vote who they want out of power. their sheep who prefer to be led.

it's why i moved here. you think they called it the rat race because it has real freedom.

(03-09-2010, 06:22 AM)billy Wrote:  

(03-08-2010, 07:22 PM)Benny2guns Wrote:  Thats too too bad bill, just because the country you live in has already been fucked over does not mean that I will let mine go the same way without a fight big guy. You can be as pro as you wish in that flea bitten little corner of the world.
I forget that Most of you live in parts of the world that have never known real freedom in the sense that I have so loosing what I call freedom means nothing to you really. I am sorry for what you have been missing and if I had it my way I would change it for all of you, really I would. I wish you could relate I truly do but reading books or having a short visit in no way relates what it is to be free. You can only see through your own minds and the way the system you were raised in allows you to. Sad really but it works very well for oppressors.
Cold day in hell when RFID hits my home and if I can have any part in it I'll see to it that it never gets to you either.
You may be Pro elite but I am Pro freedom and power to the people.
Like it, don't like it, I do not give two shits.

again more assumption. believe it or not the philippines now has more freedom than most countries have. it's one of the reason they have no decent health or education, one of the reasons they have no welfare. funny enough most third world countries have better freedom than canada or the usa. the people her can hunt fish live and grow starve etc. it's only as a third world develops into a first world does it's freedom start being eroded both socially and legally. you think canada has more freedom. a short visit you say. i live here benny. and i've lived in the so called free world...it's not so free that free world you speak of. you want real freedom live in a third world. you think i gain experience from reading books lmao. from books i get insights. i get my experience of the world from living in it. and for me tagging a persistent truant is all good. people power is dead. the people gave up. they cry if we go to war, they cry if we don't go to war. the cry if we take in immigrants, they cry if we don't take in immigrants. people power has failed. they can't and that means canada as well, even vote who they want out of power. their sheep who prefer to be led.
it's why i moved here. you think they called it the rat race because it has real freedom.

Why is that in your wise old opinion?

(03-09-2010, 11:48 AM)Benny2guns Wrote:   they can't and that means canada as well, even vote who they want out of power. their sheep who prefer to be led.
it's why i moved here. you think they called it the rat race because it has real freedom.

Why is that in your wise old opinion?
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because everybody wants something different.
it's why the revolution (in the usa) will from now till a long time in the future be a conspiracy theory. they can't even fuck off the health insurance companies from having them over as they rip the public up the ass.
so in my non wise opinion. the public cannot get it together. if they could the politicians wouldn't be as cocky as they are.

don't vote for a single senator who says they want private insurance and watch what happens the next election. every senator will be saying no to private health insurance and the country would save a fortune and everyone would get treatment at a huge lower cost that country as whole already pays.

(03-09-2010, 02:30 PM)billy Wrote:  

(03-09-2010, 11:48 AM)Benny2guns Wrote:   they can't and that means canada as well, even vote who they want out of power. their sheep who prefer to be led.
it's why i moved here. you think they called it the rat race because it has real freedom.

Why is that in your wise old opinion?

because everybody wants something different.
it's why the revolution (in the usa) will from now till a long time in the future be a conspiracy theory. they can't even fuck off the health insurance companies from having them over as they rip the public up the ass.
so in my non wise opinion. the public cannot get it together. if they could the politicians wouldn't be as cocky as they are.

don't vote for a single senator who says they want private insurance and watch what happens the next election. every senator will be saying no to private health insurance and the country would save a fortune and everyone would get treatment at a huge lower cost that country as whole already pays.
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It does not matter what they say. They tell people what ever they know they want to hear to get in. Then they do what the fuck they want to.
There is no conspiracy theory here thats absurd. Those two words alone are the best weapons ever used to hide facts. There is no real choice when it comes to voting as all the parties are backed by the same money. Theorys become fact when they can be proven so why all this conspiracy? The facts are there no theory anymore. I'm going to bow out of this one because there is nothing worse than a deff ear. I have no idea how to fix it. Let someone else listen and comment, personaly at this point I don't care what you believe.

the revolution is the conspiracy theory.
there is none.