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05-26-2013, 11:28 AM
Whisper
Hush thoughts Woolen Eyes Think not, young mind Dissonance Sparks synapse Iron lungs Fear not, brave heart Sweat Wooden hands Weakened earth Rest not, cold touch Whimper Curved paths Chalked form Sleep now, old bones 
05-26-2013, 12:05 PM
(05-26-2013, 11:28 AM)untitled Wrote: Whisper Abit terse I am left confused. I think you should expand to make your thoughts more clear. Just my opinion
05-26-2013, 12:23 PM
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05-26-2013, 12:46 PM
05-26-2013, 01:07 PM
I interpreted it as a random list of words . . . with a couple cliches thrown in for salt
05-26-2013, 01:14 PM
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05-26-2013, 02:03 PM
(05-26-2013, 02:01 PM)milo Wrote: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clich%C3%A9 That is THE definition of cliche I will assume it is also YOUR definition of cliche I acknowledge your interpretation but am puzzled by it I have never heard the terms "cold touch" "young mind" "old bones" "brave heart" used as a cliche Is "hot coffee" a cliche? Cold winter? Yellow sun?
05-26-2013, 02:08 PM
depends on usage. Idiomatic phrases that are unoriginal are cliche. A heart can never literally be brave and if you are using phrases like "cold touch" exclusively as literal expressions in poetry than you might be wasting space . . .
phrases like "sleep now old bones" are not telling literal old bones to sleep, they are speaking figuratively. been there, done that. 1,000,000 times
05-26-2013, 02:14 PM
(05-26-2013, 02:08 PM)milo Wrote: depends on usage. Idiomatic phrases that are unoriginal are cliche. A heart can never literally be brave and if you are using phrases like "cold touch" exclusively as literal expressions in poetry than you might be wasting space . . . Agreed. I use those words in their least literally sense. Interestingly enough...if you type "sleep now old bones" in Google; you get zero results.
05-26-2013, 02:17 PM
old bones as synechdoche is cliche. Try "jump over a fence old bones" "have a cup of tea old bones" - no hits, it is not the sleeping, it is the synechdoche.
https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=these+old+bones&oq=these+old+bones&gs_l=hp.12..0l4.19364.20198.5.25058.2.2.0.0.0.0.173.249.1j1.2.0...0.0.0..1c.1.12.psy-ab.1DV3NqoXosc&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47008514,d.dmg&fp=1e6dce9a8ecf5041&biw=1020&bih=1111 hey look!! A dolly Parton song!@
05-26-2013, 02:25 PM
(05-26-2013, 02:17 PM)milo Wrote: old bones as synechdoche is cliche. Try "jump over a fence old bones" "have a cup of tea old bones" - no hits, it is not the sleeping, it is the synechdoche. If "sleep now old bones" is cliche then shouldn't it be repeated ad nauseum and prevalent in past dis course? Can a phrase be both a synecdoche and a cliche?
05-26-2013, 02:27 PM
the cliche is old bones. You won't find the expression "cook my broken heart in a vat of oil" very common, but the broken heart is cliche.
Yes, any idiomatic phrasing can be cliche. Now stop making me look mean in novice before I get a citation!!
05-26-2013, 02:29 PM
If you expand cliche to include idiomatic phrases then doesn't that render most phrases cliche?
Cold Winters Harsh Springs Summer nights Dark Moon Also, does the existence of an idiom within a phrase render the entire phrase cliche? It would make it very difficult to write anything original, n'est c'est pas? For example, if I use the phrase: "My broken heart is a broken clock, stuck at half past twelve." Does the use of the idiom "broken heart" render the entire phrase as cliche?
05-26-2013, 02:44 PM
Figurative phrasing is pretty much required for poetry. You have to make your own up though, If you have heard it before, try to come up with something new.
It is difficult to write poetry and metaphor, and figurative language is necessary. Still, people do it. The only time "broken heart" isn't cliche in poetry is when it is a poem about coronary surgery . . .
05-26-2013, 02:46 PM
Interesting. I'm learning a lot.
Do you have a link to any poems with an absence of established idioms? |
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