we don't like this kind of feedback in a workshop
#21
god todd, i get get poems wrong all the time, sometimes if many readers get it wrong it can show the poetry needs to be clear or b the readers are idiots Big Grin

all we ever expected was that people try and converse about the poem as they would about any other topic. beckem could never be in the top ten best footbaler, "why the fuck is that billy" " in depth reply here from an avid united supporter" reason it's all about the why and the wherefores.
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#22
Wait -- David Beckham's writing poems now?  

And yes, it's about a conversation.  For goodness' sake, what makes people think they can write a poem and expect critique without doing the same in return?  If you can't read a poem and offer up your thoughts on it, you have no business making an attempt to write poetry anywhere outside of tumblr.
It could be worse
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#23
yeah ..and what's a footbaler Huh

i like the incite that feedback is conversation.
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#24
Online poetry forum feedback is a queer game. You sometimes have to express several levels of nonsense to hit a nerve in the truth of the matter. Whatever matter. Look: I met a girl recently who I have to refer to with masculine pronouns. At one and the same time I have to respect the boundaries of me as a man and her as a woman, yet always use the words he or him or his when referring to her. We have to keep that mindset when dealing with poets and poetry online. This we are involved in is a new world of definitions and descriptions. Poetry is now free to be beyond what poetry is . I don't expect to believe any of these things I've just said. But I don't have to believe it. And I don't. We just have to take a stand, and hope someone will make it wrong to say anything rude about us. That is at least the current wave of the future.
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#25
(10-02-2015, 01:00 PM)rowens Wrote:  Online poetry forum feedback is a queer game. You sometimes have to express several levels of nonsense to hit a nerve in the truth of the matter. Whatever matter. Look: I met a girl recently who I have to refer to with masculine pronouns. At one and the same time I have to respect the boundaries of me as a man and her as a woman, yet always use the words he or him or his when referring to her. We have to keep that mindset when dealing with poets and poetry online. This we are involved in is a new world of definitions and descriptions. Poetry is now free to be beyond what poetry is . I don't expect to believe any of these things I've just said. But I don't have to believe it. And I don't. We just have to take a stand, and hope someone will make it wrong to say anything rude about us. That is at least the current wave of the future.

1. Use 2nd person tense, truly genderless.
2. If I saw "the current wave of the future" in a poem, I be inclined to offer a critique.
almost terse
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