08-16-2014, 12:18 AM
I was trained as a lawyer at UT, so I'm going to write this up as a lawyer would. I hope the tone doesn't come off as overstepping.
Thesis: There should be a lyrics subforum.
(I) Five reasons.
(1) it would be good for the internet to have a good lyrics crit forum, whereas currently none exists,
(2) I need one,
(3) it would be attractive to certain writers,
(4) it could inform the poetry crit forums, and
(5) it would be fun.
If a lyrics subforum were created, it should contain these parts:
Lyrics
--Lyrics for Mild Critique
--Lyrics for Serious Critique
--Practice Exercises
I'll air those points out.
First, Pigpen is the best poetry forum on the internet, and imho, it's the only one worth a damn.
There are no good lyrics forums. Leastwise, I haven't found any.
Pigpen's expertise would facilitate the development of a meaningful rubric by which lyrics could be critiqued. For instance, there are several standard lyrical formats. Pigpen's authors are already accustomed to identifying verse formats and offering feedback accordingly. That critiquing habit would map neatly onto lyric writing.
Second, I need a place to get feedback on lyrics.
I'm working on a libretto with a composer in Austin, Texas, and it has promise. Workshopping the lyrics here would be wonderful, and necessary when, as often happens, I'm unsure about the merits of a song.
Third, I would imagine certain visitors to Pigpen would become active members if there were a strong lyrics forum, but not otherwise.
The fourth point, above, is self-explanatory, and the fifth is incorporated into the discussion below.
(II) Why not just post lyrics as poems?
Simply put, lyrics aren't poems. They follow different rules.
Lyrics differ from poetry in at least two critical respects. First, with lyrics, the meter is imposed, instead of springing from the words themselves. Second, there are well-defined lyrical formats not utilized in poetic verse.
Note, although lyrics are intended to be sung, it is not necessary to hear a recording in order to evaluate their quality or technical merit. However, it sure would be fun to hear the hogs sing
(III) Summing up.
There isn't, now, a worthwhile lyrics crit forum out there. I sure could use one. Pigpen would do a good job at this. Lyrics are sufficiently distinct from poetry that they warrant a separate subforum. A lyric-centric subforum would allow for the development of a structured rubric for the evaluation of lyrics. Certain writers would be more likely to participate on Pigpen if there were a lyrics subforum. And it'd be a hoot to hear some of the folks on these boards sing a few bars.
Thanks for considering this proposal.
Additionally, I'll volunteer to mod any such forum, if that would be any help.
Thesis: There should be a lyrics subforum.
(I) Five reasons.
(1) it would be good for the internet to have a good lyrics crit forum, whereas currently none exists,
(2) I need one,
(3) it would be attractive to certain writers,
(4) it could inform the poetry crit forums, and
(5) it would be fun.
If a lyrics subforum were created, it should contain these parts:
Lyrics
--Lyrics for Mild Critique
--Lyrics for Serious Critique
--Practice Exercises
I'll air those points out.
First, Pigpen is the best poetry forum on the internet, and imho, it's the only one worth a damn.
There are no good lyrics forums. Leastwise, I haven't found any.
Pigpen's expertise would facilitate the development of a meaningful rubric by which lyrics could be critiqued. For instance, there are several standard lyrical formats. Pigpen's authors are already accustomed to identifying verse formats and offering feedback accordingly. That critiquing habit would map neatly onto lyric writing.
Second, I need a place to get feedback on lyrics.
I'm working on a libretto with a composer in Austin, Texas, and it has promise. Workshopping the lyrics here would be wonderful, and necessary when, as often happens, I'm unsure about the merits of a song.
Third, I would imagine certain visitors to Pigpen would become active members if there were a strong lyrics forum, but not otherwise.
The fourth point, above, is self-explanatory, and the fifth is incorporated into the discussion below.
(II) Why not just post lyrics as poems?
Simply put, lyrics aren't poems. They follow different rules.
Lyrics differ from poetry in at least two critical respects. First, with lyrics, the meter is imposed, instead of springing from the words themselves. Second, there are well-defined lyrical formats not utilized in poetic verse.
Note, although lyrics are intended to be sung, it is not necessary to hear a recording in order to evaluate their quality or technical merit. However, it sure would be fun to hear the hogs sing
(III) Summing up.
There isn't, now, a worthwhile lyrics crit forum out there. I sure could use one. Pigpen would do a good job at this. Lyrics are sufficiently distinct from poetry that they warrant a separate subforum. A lyric-centric subforum would allow for the development of a structured rubric for the evaluation of lyrics. Certain writers would be more likely to participate on Pigpen if there were a lyrics subforum. And it'd be a hoot to hear some of the folks on these boards sing a few bars.
Thanks for considering this proposal.
Additionally, I'll volunteer to mod any such forum, if that would be any help.
A yak is normal.