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01-22-2013, 11:04 AM
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Free versers, you
can spew it out
without a care
to where you place
your waste of space.
Form-a-lists
pompass rutters
Su-su-Seussian
nursery versery
uppity fucks
Somewhere, lost in the
middle
is poetry
Quiet.
All this riot
frightens it.
Sort yourselves out
or leave it to the prose.
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this literally made me laugh out loud. I just look at all the rules and am so confused by them i've read both those links that you posted on my thread but still it's just not clicking. guess it takes more time than a week haha
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Haha, just a bit longer than that, yes 
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This is one of those that is beyond my understanding.
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No it's not, you just have to look at it sideways. That's how poems work.
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if im understanding and i can explain it to jagger im going to say that the base of this poem is that free verse is like dr seuss nursery rhymes and its just talking in a lot of riddles and metaphors with no real rhyme or reason(rhyme is a pun in this case) so sort that shit out or call it prose....lmao am i right?
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I'll have to look at this again in a few weeks and see if it sends a different idea to me.
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half right 
It won't hurt this poem to explain it because it's not really that profound, it's a rant -- the one thing that annoys me more than anything else on poetry forums or in the wider world of writing/publishing/reading poetry is the fighting between factions. Free versers call formalists old-fashioned and make ill-informed comments about rhyme being limiting or sounding like Dr Seuss -- and formalists accuse free versers of just writing cut up prose. The fact is, good poetry of any kind takes work and is just poetry, with no need for labels.
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well i didnt even know that there were two factions in the first place but let me say that as of 39 seconds ago i am very firmly on the side of free versers 
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I'm not
I don't really even make the distinction anymore. Form doesn't mean rhyme and free verse doesn't mean rhyme-free. It should just be a matter of choosing the right vessel to pour your poem into, whatever the shape.
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Ah, alright. See, I don't know much about the technical side of poetry (And I don't know a lot of the rules for English either). I don't really know about structures and formats. I'm pretty bad at rhyming too. I also don't know much about the history of poetry, poets, or different kinds of poems. I just felt the urge to write for awhile and then decided to do it. I don't know what you would "officially" call what I write, I just call it poetry. I feel like poetry really doesn't need a bunch of sub-genres. But maybe that's just because I don't really enjoy labels.
My technical knowledge knowledge of poetry consists of what I learned last time they taught me poetry in school, which was middle school. And even then I don't remember much of it.
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im with you jagger i just write because thats what i do, and i enjoy doing as well. plus i know i can put a few words together that sound cool
sorry if I am writing too many unnecessary comments on your thread leanne
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That's the problem with the way poetry is taught in most schools. It should be one of the most exciting kinds of writing for teenagers -- it's all about learning when to break the rules to cause the most havoc -- but it's turned into some kind of horribly dry chore by teachers who don't understand it at all, they just have to get it over with.
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(01-22-2013, 11:33 AM)doolasmind#11 Wrote: im with you jagger i just write because thats what i do, and i enjoy doing as well. plus i know i can put a few words together that sound cool
Yeah. I don't know enough to call them free-verse or whatever the other one she said. Or possibly whatever other classifications may exist.
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This is the "for fun" forum. It's not for critique so wherever the thread goes is just fine.
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well in that case then i have no idea what either of them are even after i looked them up, read the whole damn explanation and thought about it til i couldn't anymore
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(01-22-2013, 11:34 AM)Leanne Wrote: That's the problem with the way poetry is taught in most schools. It should be one of the most exciting kinds of writing for teenagers -- it's all about learning when to break the rules to cause the most havoc -- but it's turned into some kind of horribly dry chore by teachers who don't understand it at all, they just have to get it over with.
This is the problem with the way all English writing is taught in schools. I love writing in my free time because I know that English writing shouldn't have rules or restrictions. I mean (And this applies for just about everything) the people who go down in history and remembered are the revolutionists. The ones who didn't follow the pre-selected templates and rules. So why encourage the opposite?
It seems most teachers look at the format before what is actually written. I can get a good grade on almost any essay just because I know what features a teacher wants to see. This good grade includes if the details in the essay are complete ass.
Once again, teachers should encourage students to explore new boundaries and constantly challenge all previous borders.
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@jagger-you must be in America(United States if that offends anyone because I am well aware that there are other countries over here and to anyone that doesn't understand the reason for me writing this side note then you obviously have never spoken to anyone from south america), you just hit the nail on the head talking about our public education system
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To get a passing grade you need to show that you understand the elements of each genre. I don't have any problem with teachers adhering to that. Teachers need to be able to assess your understanding of why something is the way it is. Revolutionaries are rebelling against something -- and to be able to rebel against something you need to know exactly what it is and why you want to subvert or shatter it. Breaking the rules without knowing what they are isn't revolution, it's just yelling incoherently into space and sometimes hitting on the right word.
Yes, teachers should encourage exploration and exploitation of generic features... but students need to remember that you need a foundation to build any lasting monument.
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I didn't think I could write until I got into my 20s and stumbled into it. School taught me not to like writing.
Seems like it hasn't gotten any better in the time since I went. I suspect it's gotten worse.
No matter what though poetry is one of things that always gives you something to learn. Learning free verse helps you with your formal poems. Formal poems help your free verse. Everything has value. People that arbitrarily restrict themselves really stunt themselves and miss out.
The secret of poetry is cruelty.--Jon Anderson
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