Lying

[billy]

Have you ever knowingly done it? if so what was the lie and why did you do it?
is it wrong to lie or are there times when lying is okay? what wouldn't you lie about?

[TwistedAngel]

yes
wot makes you think it wos a singular event !!!!
is only ok if you get away with it

would like to think i wouldnt lie to get somone innocent in trouble..or lie to a dying person..thats inviting bad karma

i would say never lie to me doctor but i guess i already have..she thinks i only smoke 5 a day

[billy]

we all lie a little bit, some lies i think, are good lies. nad yeah i've done the smoking lie as well.
i've lied many times, i'd probably be called a good liar, in that i don't often slip up after telling one.
due to my upbringing lying was an integral part of staying free from harm. i'm an ex antique dealer
and all i can say is...all antique dealers are lying bastards i can't remember telling anything more than white lies to my kids. santa and stuff like that. i don't lie to my partner, though i may hide something from her. (my mistake, the only thing i lied about to her was the not smoking thing, now i don't have to lie about that cos i stopped ages ago)
i will always lie to the police, even if they ask me the time, i'll lie. i can't help meself

my biggest lies were telling girls and women i loved them. looking back i see how cruel it was. at the time my cock controlled who i was
one of my biggest lies was to myself, me and my ex swore that if we weren't happy in our relationship we'd split. we didn't want to live a life like her parents (they hated each other) anyway, i eventually said i wasn't happy...i should have said it 5 years earlier. i'm sure she wasn't happy either. it was one of my finest moments. now we're the best of friends, (we weren't that for a long while before the split) before i get lambasted, the split wasn't because of infidelity, in truth we both wanted different things we'd grown too far as opposites.

as a kid i was brought up in a convents as well as other places. i would do the confession thing once a week and make up sins. i was fucked if i was going to be run of the mill, even with sinning sadly i think i was creating self fulfilling prophecies.

mostly my biggest lies were too myself. the main one being "it's okay, you're not hurting anyone" unless of course my sole intention was to hurt someone, then i'd think, "are you hurting them enough" what's really wierd, is the internet i seldom lie on the internet, go figure ?

[abu nuwas]

we all lie a little bit, some lies i think, are good lies. nad yeah i've done the smoking lie as well.
i've lied many times, i'd probably be called a good liar, in that i don't often slip up after telling one.
due to my upbringing lying was an integral part of staying free from harm. i'm an ex antique dealer
and all i can say is...all antique dealers are lying bastards i can't remember telling anything more than white lies to my kids. santa and stuff like that. i don't lie to my partner, though i may hide something from her. (my mistake, the only thing i lied about to her was the not smoking thing, now i don't have to lie about that cos i stopped ages ago)
i will always lie to the police, even if they ask me the time, i'll lie. i can't help meself

my biggest lies were telling girls and women i loved them. looking back i see how cruel it was. at the time my cock controlled who i was
one of my biggest lies was to myself, me and my ex swore that if we weren't happy in our relationship we'd split. we didn't want to live a life like her parents (they hated each other) anyway, i eventually said i wasn't happy...i should have said it 5 years earlier. i'm sure she wasn't happy either. it was one of my finest moments. now we're the best of friends, (we weren't that for a long while before the split) before i get lambasted, the split wasn't because of infidelity, in truth we both wanted different things we'd grown too far as opposites.

as a kid i was brought up in a convents as well as other places. i would do the confession thing once a week and make up sins. i was fucked if i was going to be run of the mill, even with sinning sadly i think i was creating self fulfilling prophecies.

mostly my biggest lies were too myself. the main one being "it's okay, you're not hurting anyone" unless of course my sole intention was to hurt someone, then i'd think, "are you hurting them enough" what's really wierd, is the internet i seldom lie on the internet, go figure ?

I am sure that lying to oneself is the most common, and pernicious. ''You are not hurting anyone'' has a close relative ''Everyone's at it''.

I remember being stumped for sins--though I did not try and compete! The idea of a small child ''sinning'' seems absurd.

I might lie, if the truth was in my opinion very likely to make a person miserable without any compensating good. When my mum was v ill, I did not tell her that my wife had cancer, or that she died. Obviously, she must have guessed something, as my wife ceased visiting with me.

In general, I don't lie, because I don't. I find liars difficult to deal with, since one does not know who they are. If someone tells me they have done a circular tour of Europe, on a solar-powered bike, and went to Edinburgh University, before joining the Board at Faber and Faber, whereas the truth is that they left school at 16, and have worked for the last 20 years in a place where they iron your clothes, never leaving these shores --who is he? Does he have the old mum he speaks of, or the wife and kids? And why the need to lie? We are what we are, we try to do the best we can-- why lie?

Also, I am not v good at it. But if it were some question of honour, relating to a third party, no-one would know. No-one. I mean, I have never once told what really went on with Profumo.

[Bronte]

I save up my lies for the main event so they get lost amid all the many truths.

[billy]

I've created more than one truth in my time

[Keith]

I will tell small lie's to aviod an agrument and real big ones to avoid making myself look an arse. I also lie to cover up being lazy. I always add a little something to the truth to make it more dramatic. Just cant help myself.

[addy]

I also lie about little things -- not to stretch the truth; actually its often the opposite. I use it as a kind of conversational shorthand? When the truth is longwinded and complicated and irrelevant, sometimes its not worth it to give an accurate answer; it'll just be boring and kind of awkward. In those instances instead of telling the whole story (which no one cares about anyway) I'll just give a one-sentence response that hopefully is neutral enough, so nobody would bother to question it anymore . What can I say, I'm socially lazy

[billy]

we all lie a little bit, some lies i think, are good lies. nad yeah i've done the smoking lie as well.
i've lied many times, i'd probably be called a good liar, in that i don't often slip up after telling one.
due to my upbringing lying was an integral part of staying free from harm. i'm an ex antique dealer
and all i can say is...all antique dealers are lying bastards i can't remember telling anything more than white lies to my kids. santa and stuff like that. i don't lie to my partner, though i may hide something from her. (my mistake, the only thing i lied about to her was the not smoking thing, now i don't have to lie about that cos i stopped ages ago)
i will always lie to the police, even if they ask me the time, i'll lie. i can't help meself

my biggest lies were telling girls and women i loved them. looking back i see how cruel it was. at the time my cock controlled who i was
one of my biggest lies was to myself, me and my ex swore that if we weren't happy in our relationship we'd split. we didn't want to live a life like her parents (they hated each other) anyway, i eventually said i wasn't happy...i should have said it 5 years earlier. i'm sure she wasn't happy either. it was one of my finest moments. now we're the best of friends, (we weren't that for a long while before the split) before i get lambasted, the split wasn't because of infidelity, in truth we both wanted different things we'd grown too far as opposites.

as a kid i was brought up in a convents as well as other places. i would do the confession thing once a week and make up sins. i was fucked if i was going to be run of the mill, even with sinning sadly i think i was creating self fulfilling prophecies.

mostly my biggest lies were too myself. the main one being "it's okay, you're not hurting anyone" unless of course my sole intention was to hurt someone, then i'd think, "are you hurting them enough" what's really wierd, is the internet i seldom lie on the internet, go figure ?

I am sure that lying to oneself is the most common, and pernicious. ''You are not hurting anyone'' has a close relative ''Everyone's at it''.

I remember being stumped for sins--though I did not try and compete! The idea of a small child ''sinning'' seems absurd.

I might lie, if the truth was in my opinion very likely to make a person miserable without any compensating good. When my mum was v ill, I did not tell her that my wife had cancer, or that she died. Obviously, she must have guessed something, as my wife ceased visiting with me.

In general, I don't lie, because I don't. I find liars difficult to deal with, since one does not know who they are. If someone tells me they have done a circular tour of Europe, on a solar-powered bike, and went to Edinburgh University, before joining the Board at Faber and Faber, whereas the truth is that they left school at 16, and have worked for the last 20 years in a place where they iron your clothes, never leaving these shores --who is he? Does he have the old mum he speaks of, or the wife and kids? And why the need to lie? We are what we are, we try to do the best we can-- why lie?

Also, I am not v good at it. But if it were some question of honour, relating to a third party, no-one would know. No-one. I mean, I have never once told what really went on with Profumo.

i'm not A liar, i just use lies. i often speak my mind truthfully, i don't lie about me except to police officers. i suppose i'm a genuine liar

ed: did you're mum ever ask were the wife was?

[abu nuwas]

we all lie a little bit, some lies i think, are good lies. nad yeah i've done the smoking lie as well.
i've lied many times, i'd probably be called a good liar, in that i don't often slip up after telling one.
due to my upbringing lying was an integral part of staying free from harm. i'm an ex antique dealer
and all i can say is...all antique dealers are lying bastards i can't remember telling anything more than white lies to my kids. santa and stuff like that. i don't lie to my partner, though i may hide something from her. (my mistake, the only thing i lied about to her was the not smoking thing, now i don't have to lie about that cos i stopped ages ago)
i will always lie to the police, even if they ask me the time, i'll lie. i can't help meself

my biggest lies were telling girls and women i loved them. looking back i see how cruel it was. at the time my cock controlled who i was
one of my biggest lies was to myself, me and my ex swore that if we weren't happy in our relationship we'd split. we didn't want to live a life like her parents (they hated each other) anyway, i eventually said i wasn't happy...i should have said it 5 years earlier. i'm sure she wasn't happy either. it was one of my finest moments. now we're the best of friends, (we weren't that for a long while before the split) before i get lambasted, the split wasn't because of infidelity, in truth we both wanted different things we'd grown too far as opposites.

as a kid i was brought up in a convents as well as other places. i would do the confession thing once a week and make up sins. i was fucked if i was going to be run of the mill, even with sinning sadly i think i was creating self fulfilling prophecies.

mostly my biggest lies were too myself. the main one being "it's okay, you're not hurting anyone" unless of course my sole intention was to hurt someone, then i'd think, "are you hurting them enough" what's really wierd, is the internet i seldom lie on the internet, go figure ?

I am sure that lying to oneself is the most common, and pernicious. ''You are not hurting anyone'' has a close relative ''Everyone's at it''.

I remember being stumped for sins--though I did not try and compete! The idea of a small child ''sinning'' seems absurd.

I might lie, if the truth was in my opinion very likely to make a person miserable without any compensating good. When my mum was v ill, I did not tell her that my wife had cancer, or that she died. Obviously, she must have guessed something, as my wife ceased visiting with me.

In general, I don't lie, because I don't. I find liars difficult to deal with, since one does not know who they are. If someone tells me they have done a circular tour of Europe, on a solar-powered bike, and went to Edinburgh University, before joining the Board at Faber and Faber, whereas the truth is that they left school at 16, and have worked for the last 20 years in a place where they iron your clothes, never leaving these shores --who is he? Does he have the old mum he speaks of, or the wife and kids? And why the need to lie? We are what we are, we try to do the best we can-- why lie?

Also, I am not v good at it. But if it were some question of honour, relating to a third party, no-one would know. No-one. I mean, I have never once told what really went on with Profumo.

i'm not A liar, i just use lies. i often speak my mind truthfully, i don't lie about me except to police officers. i suppose i'm a genuine liar

ed: did you're mum ever ask were the wife was?

My mother assumed that she had stayed at home, though she would once or twice suggest that she knew Natasha was ill: she did not want to know the whole grim truth.

Having re-read my rather pious remarks, it occurs to me that there are a few more categories --e.g., to keep a story as immediate as it was when relayed to me, I might alter the chain of speakers to make it a bit more snappy, or generally embroider, on the basis that the bloke who told me, had probably forgotten a few interesting details.

[billy]

i don't see embroidery (in the context of telling a story) as lying, it's what we all do. little fibs i don't see as lying either. to me a lie is a solid act of trying to deceive another in a manner that's advantageous to you, or with malice. lying to protect the innocent is sometimes the nobler thing to do.
lying to protect yourself isn't.