new isreali weapons systems.

[billy]

if anything i'd say they want to do what ever it is without the usa backing in order to make the usa look cleaner than what they are. and as vf said, irael don't really give a toss what anyone thinks.

[mrmod]

The USA doesn't care what Israel does. As long as they're on their side.

[billy]

its prob true. even if they don't publicly back them and that they shout because of the building on the west bank
i'm sure behind the scenes hilary is asking

"when are you gonna use some nukes" and giggling.

[billy]

Israel has a strong Jewish lobby in the U.S. Without them, the Democratic party could loose the congressional districts in New York.
The Israeli air force is dependent on American spare parts for their F-15 and F-16 jet fighters.
The American ability to keep Israel on a tight leash is very limited.

maybe it's in the interests of the usa gov to softly protest while intimating to go ahead and invade iran.
fter all iran is the onlt real middle eastern thorn in the side of the usa. all the other thorns merely scratch at the surface, the thorn of iran goes much deeper.

[mrmod]

Iran renounced the US relations a long time ago. When they kicked out the Shah, the US influence in Iran was kicked out with him as well.

[billy]

The Americans may revisit Iran one of these days.
I bet the Israelis would be glad to help any way they can.

or vice versa

[srijantje]

The Americans may revisit Iran one of these days.
I bet the Israelis would be glad to help any way they can.

or vice versa

what do you mean?invade the place?they can't even do anything usefull in afghanistan let alone in iran,the only thing they're good at is bombing the shit out of country's

[billy]

The Americans may revisit Iran one of these days.
I bet the Israelis would be glad to help any way they can.

or vice versa

what do you mean?invade the place?they can't even do anything usefull in afghanistan let alone in iran,the only thing they're good at is bombing the shit out of country's

iraq's completely different that Afghanistan. though i can't see the usa actually bombing them, i can see them supplying the bombs

[srijantje]

thanks for all that,gcjm,i def.agree with most you are saying,in the end i's a simple,we have the bomb but nobody else is allowed to have it
what saddens me the most about it all is the similarity between the palestinians today and the jewish ghetto in warsaw during the second world war

[srijantje]

first of all,couldn't care less what they accuse me of,many of my jewish friends agree with me on the atrocious way the israelis behave towards the palestinians.I'm sure if the situation was the other way around the palestinians would do exactly the same thing but you simply HAVE to support the underdog

[billy]

i think i've come to the point where i think they deserve each other.
unlike the germans and nazis these tow fuckers seem to be enjoying their shit so much none of them is prepared to give in and attempt a real lasting peace solution. at present Israel is being the bad guy but it's six of one and half a dozen of the other.

[srijantje]

yes ,the most stupid thing arafat ever did was start talking to the israelis,it brought them absolute zero.you can't talk to people who pronounce this is our land because it says so in the bible

[billy]

open the borders and let them mate with each other.

[srijantje]

well,that's the thing,most israelis are arabs anyway,exept the ones that came from europe which is a minority,they just can't handle the fact and get along with their brethren

[billy]

well,that's the thing,most israelis are arabs anyway,exept the ones that came from europe which is a minority,they just can't handle the fact and get along with their brethren

i think it's a bit more than that sj. the whole culture between the two is at opposite ends of the spectrum. that and the fact both sides have been brought up to hate the other. their hatred is a much longer standing one than 1948 (i think) when the jews were given their own homeland.