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06-11-2011, 01:57 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-11-2011, 01:58 PM by billy.)
on cnn i saw it spoke about.
the premise is that being gay is a choice, and that kids can be taught to be/go straight. they quoted one guy as one of there successes (he later hung himself because he couldn't come to to terms with not being gay)
the question isn't about are we born gay or is it choice. my question is;
should it, even if it's a choice for some, be taught or hammered out of you?
personally i think it not only infringes on so many human rights but demeans as human beings. that it goes on points to us not having the right, even at the age of 13, 14, 15 etc, to follow our sexual calling.
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Absolutely not, neither teaching or hammering will change anything except maybe force some to give the illusion that they've gone straight.
I've heard horror stories about techniques used to punish the so called wicked. It will be a day of freedom for all when all this gay shit talk becomes a thing of the past.
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everybody his own as far as I'm concerned
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If it's not a choice then it couldn't be hammered out of you.
If it is a choice then it shouldn't be hammered out of you--I don't see any reason any parent (or any other authority figure) should be able to dictate to someone who they may or may not sleep with. [I do think a parent has a right and an obligation to give counsel when it comes to their children's choices of life partners but there is a limit to how far that should go. It certainly should not go so far as to attempt to forbid any particular liaison.]
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yes
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What is most disturbing to me is the degree to which people are obsessed with the sex lives of others. Look at the kinds of people who believe this "reparative treatment" is possible and a good idea -- they're buttoned down, uptight middle class prim and proper pricks (and prickesses) who love to be offended by anything that isn't in their own immediate experience, which they keep deliberately narrow because being offended is what gets them off (it's the only kind of fun they can have standing up). If you repress any desire it becomes perverted and in their case, anything that looks like it makes people happy but isn't missionary represents a desire they can't express themselves, so they become obsessed with thinking about it. Look at the origin of the word "vicarious" - it's no accident.
So your kid turned out gay. I turned out to be a poet, imagine my parents' horror -- I was supposed to be an accountant.
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i'll be honest, if my kid said hey dad, i'm gay, i'd say wtf, or at the very least think it. i'd try and ascertain
the depth of feeling as to how serious/confident about it and try and talk him out of it. if i couldn't i certainly wouldn't push it, or love them any less. i would never use such crap as reparative treatment to try and change their minds. (i would make lots of gay jokes when they brought their boy/girl friend over, I wouldn't be able to help meself
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Personally, I have no problem with homosexuality.
But I do understand why people get so upset about it.
The reproductive urge is wired into us at a very fundamental level, far below our conscious intellects. For the recipients of our genes to fail to pass them on is abhorrent to our core natures. That's why so many people wish so very hard that homosexuality can be cured. If your son (or daughter) has simply chosen to sow his seed in unproductive orifices then there is hope that he will see / can be shown the foolishness of his ways. But if he's just born that way and nothing can ever change that then there is no hope--you have failed to produce a viable line. Your genetic destiny ends in his lovers arse.
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i think i agree though it not happening to me i can't say for sure.
i don't want to go down the is it or isn't it in the genes path because i think it would
end up too far off topic. i do think i'd do the same if they told me they were thieves or
wanted to join the priesthood, for me wtf is a natural reaction to most things. i think that's a good reaction though. as long as it goes no further than a discussion with the kid, after all at that age and stage in their lives kids can think and feel so many things. psychologically speaking, doesn't every one go through the stage of questioning their sexuality, along with lying stealing etc. i do agree that for some it'd not choice though and while such a discussion would never change their minds or choice of partner, i'm sure it would show the kid you cared. brainwashing only screws a person up if the experts are to be believed and this for me certainly resides in that area.
