Beyond Critique

[Collapsed We Swear]

So, I've just had my second poem removed from the site. This time from the Intensive Critique section. So, as you can imagine, I am overjoyed with the judges decision—especially as I followed all the rules... and didn't even swear! 
First, I want to thank everyone at the academy. This wouldn’t have been possible without their talent and dedication. To my family and friends, your support means everything to me. And to my fans, thank you for believing in me and my work. I am so blessed. This award is not just mine, it’s for all of us who have worked so hard behind the scenes. Thank you again, from the bottom of my heart.

However, it does pose an interesting question—at least for me—about the limitations of critique. 

the removed poem was:


My Girl’s Bosoms My Ankle Swingers

 
 
LLJ
Sjjasdjhfbkjhdsfsd
Sdfkjshfs
Dsfksdjhgds
Bbbbbfhjsbdfshbsbsbbsh
b
lkjd
fsfjdshfbweiubsdvkbx
vmjbsdfsbvsdxlkjdlkjsdfs
 
dlfkgjdf
k
 
 
ljfd
 
 
lk
 
d

Surely, with the imagery and allusions to Spinoza, The Principia, William Blake, Titian, and—obviously—Shakespeare, there's something to critique, here...

—But it's difficult to read. You're trying too hard. It sounds like nonsense and looks pretentious. Who's got time for that?
—I mean, isn't that poetry in a nutshell, though? 
—Fuck off, mate. We're trying to take ourselves too seriously over 'ere.

So the question is, are there poems that can't be critiqued? And for what reason?

[CRNDLSM]

I did respond to your intensive but it was deleted as well

Glad to see you're really trying to own it

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My Girl’s Bosoms My Ankle Swingers the long title is an over used and abused cliche found mostly in millennial emo pop rock
LLJ at some point I ask myself if the poem must be deciphered or if I can just enjoy it for what it is.  Your choice on letters here takes me first to LL Cool J or an acronym for a business, i don't want to come to any rush judgements 
Sjjasdjhfbkjhdsfsd followed immediately by one long jumble, the only other acceptable line here I believe would have been a space followed by another string of all caps
Sdfkjshfs i feel like your rushing here, trying to get the letters down
Dsfksdjhgds i like the subtle change here. A different starting letter really moves the matter
Bbbbbfhjsbdfshbsbsbbsh up until this point I have been satisfied to contemplate the lettering, but here I immediately want to pronounce it outlook and I don't think it works here, I don't like the sudden change 
b and this is blatant over compensation
lkjd
fsfjdshfbweiubsdvkbx
vmjbsdfsbvsdxlkjdlkjsdfsthis line is your saving grace
 
dlfkgjdf
k i think 'k' as a line would be too representative of legitimate wording and dialogue, other than the use of seemingly random lettering i feel like you're not taking the proper time to organize them incoherently
 
 
ljfd
 
 
lk okay you're trying to combine some things here
 
d this is the defining moment here. This brings us full swing from the ankles back up to the bosoms.

I'm pretty sure this is a social experiment where you're studying people's responses, asking for an intensive critique of what was previously miscellaneous, but often times the author is not the narrator so I Reay just can't wait to see what you do with this

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I think it will be funny when you leave the site ultimately because I'm the only one paying you attention

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[CRNDLSM]

Typically people post in a critical forum because they know there's something not quite right about the poem and are looking for other perspectives to 'improve' it. If you thought the piece was un critiqueable then why post it in intensive? Was my critique not to your liking? I gave a line by line and analysis. Or was it really a garbage post with no intention of taking edits seriously?

The rule you broke was critique in intensive before posting intensive, it's just that serious of a forum, note most of your miscellaneous are still up...

When your trying to insult an entire group of well intentioned people only to repeatedly make an ass of yourself...

[Collapsed We Swear]

Typically people post in a critical forum because they know there's something not quite right about the poem and are looking for other perspectives to 'improve' it.  If you thought the piece was un critiqueable then why post it in intensive? Was my critique not to your liking? I gave a line by line and analysis. Or was it really a garbage post with no intention of taking edits seriously? 

The rule you broke was critique in intensive before posting intensive, it's just that serious of a forum, note most of your miscellaneous are still up...

When your trying to insult an entire group of well intentioned people only to repeatedly make an ass of yourself...

"The rule you broke was critique in intensive before posting intensive, it's just that serious of a forum, note most of your miscellaneous are still up..."

Only post here if:
- you have proof read your poem and it is free of basic errors -- 
- you post at least one considered, suitably detailed comment on someone else's poem in this or another critique forum before posting a poem of your own. (and just to be sure, I checked that I had given critiques in other critique forums—which I had)
- you are ready to receive honest, detailed criticism of your poem
- you are prepared to accept advice and suggestions to edit your poem


Now, back to the actual point: why was the poem removed? I posted that poem with complete sincerity and seriousness—and even if I didn't, surely it has to be assumed I did. Not only that, but are poems poking fun at poetry and poets to never be taken seriously or critiqued? Surely that's not a rule.
I would have liked to have read your critique—it could have improved the poem. But it was removed before I got the chance. Why? Is there an unwritten critique before the critique? Are some poems unworthy even of analysis? And if so, by whose standards are they judged "unworthy"? Or are they too good for analysis? Was my poem so perfectly written that it could have only been the product of a nefarious poetic genius posting an uncritique-able poem in the sacrosanct "Serious Critique Forum"?

Of course, these are all rhetorical questions. I know why it was removed and it had nothing to do with the poem. This is not a democracy and the mods can do what the fuck they like—as it should be. 
Obviously, the more general discussion I wanted to get going (good luck with that) after finding my poem removed was about critique and its limitations and biases. 

[CRNDLSM]

Indeed, good luck

[Collapsed We Swear]

Indeed, good luck

Yeah, it's a bit much to expect anyone on here to engage with this concept. I mean, you can't even read the rules properly. It's okay, reading and writing isn't for everyone—I read everything you write as if it is scrawled in crayon on the bits of paper your handler gives you to keep you from eating the tablecloth. 
But, at least you're giving it a good collage try and everyone seems to be humouring you, so, well done.

[CRNDLSM]

You sound jealous resulting to direct insults

[Collapsed We Swear]

You sound jealous resulting to direct insults

It's true, I definitely sound jealous to you. You should keep that in your pocket as a mantra: "whenever someone insults me, it's jealously". That'll help you through puberty.

[CRNDLSM]

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It's true, I definitely sound jealous to you. You should keep that in your pocket as a mantra: "whenever someone insults me, it's jealously". That'll help you through puberty.
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Doubling down, wow you really have nothing else do you?  Why don't you go write some clever and genius poems then, we're waiting