Gary McKinnon

[mrmod]

Yeah but going to the USA to be judged will give him a severe punishment no?

[billy]

Yeah but going to the USA to be judged will give him a severe punishment no?

not really he's being extradited so the cost should be bourne by the respective govs. if he has to stay in a jail their and the case takes a long time. that could be a bit on the severe side.

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yep i think it's fair. the guy committed a crime.
his actions damaged another persons (usa gov) property.
the fact he left messages saying they should tighten their security is irrelevant.
if he had been on your machine and it was left inoperable or parts of it left unaccessible wouldn't you want some kind of compensation. if they caught the guy.
lets just say he'd wiped all the pics of yur kids of the pc and you had no way of getting them back, at the end of the day he hacked someone elses machines. to say they should have had better security or used passwords is a crock of of shit.

might as well blame the shop keeper when his merchandise gets stolen of the houseowners when his house gets burgled. if it was a crime that like file sharing (sometimes without copyright permissions) which have more to do with social conscience and morality then i'd say a resounding no. as it is hacking is a crime. a solid crime not only against a machine but against a person and as such the person should face charges. if an extradition treaty exists then t should be allowed to be enforced.

all that said. the kids ill (we presume) so maybe the courts has a case to dispense leniency. if it's proved in court that the person was just doing it because he could, that he never meant to do any damage or steal any info. (which he was, he clearly states he was searching for secret docs re ufo's) then slap his wrist and give a small fine. if on the other hand it was a searching hack to gain info. give a him a big fine and if he has no cahs give the fucker some jail time. not too much but a bit at least. jmo

Damage: loss or harm resulting from injury to person, property, or reputation

when your house gets burgled your stuff is gone,different then just having a look at stuff because you can.ofcourse in america he's not just gonna get a slap on the wrist but made an example of,prob. put away in some high security joint for years

Technically what he made gone was the data on the HD's.
If he was an US citizen he would have been convicted of treason. Would receive a Death sentence while under the national security act of 9/11
OR be hired as a consultent

when your house gets burgled your stuff is gone,different then just having a look at stuff because you can.ofcourse in america he's not just gonna get a slap on the wrist but made an example of,prob. put away in some high security joint for years

i can't see that happening. i think if he has to go over there he'll get a big fine and fuck off back to the uk without paying it.
i know the concept of stuff not being on the pc being real but you work for a year writing something and save it on here only to have your hard drive get fucked and lose it. you wont be saying it's not real then. i lost a chapter of a book because of silly fuckin delete button, (my own fault) i'd have been devastated if i'd have lost the book. are yu saying it's okay for me to go into your emails and post them all over the place or leave you innocuous messages? me i think it's an out and out crime. cut the fuckers balls off.

i keep pics of my kids on here. i'd as soon as not have some pedo hacker take a peek and think mmmm.if it's private its private. if i put it to a cd and make it public or on a website even then i wont complain if it's used or abused.

By default all unique data created by whatever they were doing is archived off-site as well as a onsite copy.
If you value something back it up, if you or the USA does not then its your fault for not "buying insurance" so to speak. The army lost nothing but a days time to reinstall the software. While the techs sipped coffee.
??? Yours or anybody's personal emails posted anywhere would not raise an eyebrow, the files from the feds would definitely grab the public's attention.
If he got in and left a note then the security measures is an embarrassment. They SHOULD HIRE him to find more holes in the security sine he is obviously familiar with the system.

Hacking is a crime, i hope he gets time.
I certanly do not agree with the U.S.A. always getting their way.
Someone needs to piss in their korn flakes.
They are goverened by ruthless money sucking vampires.

So is child molestation a crime but that republican freak that was living in France is just now moved to a Swiss jail The French would not extradite a self confessed molester. That would lead me to believe the whole country condones child molesting. So the USA DOES NOT always get its way but it would disinform you otherwise.

i agree, but by the time the media puts face on him the usa will love him.

i agree, but by the time the media puts face on him the usa will love him.

yes,but he will still be in jail
btw the chinese would never extradite anybody to the us except dissidents to get rid of

Hacking in this case if he were an American citizen could be treason. It's pretty serious what he did.

No it aint. He hurt no one and broke nothing. The only "victim"was the pride of the USA. His intention was to fimd files on UFO's for fucks sake, he wasn't out to hurt anybody. He should be thanked for finding the holes before the terrorists found them. What is serious is that the system was hackable.
Most convicted hackers are rehired as technical advisers usually on the same system they hacked

But honestly, if you were the judge (hypothtically just assume that) would you extradite him to America?
Or would you not punish him most fittingly in the UK?

Yes under the condition he is brought back immediately after trail and he be escorted by a British security squad the whole time and if he is found guilty then he can be under house arrest at home in the UK.
And while being tried in the US all court officers wear those nellie little fru fru white wigs during the preceding like they do in the UK.

[billy]

so as long as i'm not out to hurt anyone i can come into your house should you leave the door open and rummage around in all your draws leaving everything in disarray ? can even damage or remove anything you have two or more. (copies) yep i can see how there's nothing wrong with that.

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so as long as i'm not out to hurt anyone i can come into your house should you leave the door open and rummage around in all your draws leaving everything in disarray ? can even damage or remove anything you have two or more. (copies) yep i can see how there's nothing wrong with that.

Door wide open, unguarded. No "stay out" signs? Thats a silent invite. From a apsergers syndrome child, that is perfectly normal. That is how an aspergers would see it and yu cant fault the guy for thinking that way

[billy]

so as long as i'm not out to hurt anyone i can come into your house should you leave the door open and rummage around in all your draws leaving everything in disarray ? can even damage or remove anything you have two or more. (copies) yep i can see how there's nothing wrong with that.

Door wide open, unguarded. No "stay out" signs? Thats a silent invite. From a apsergers syndrome child, that is perfectly normal. That is how an aspergers would see it and yu cant fault the guy for thinking that way

yes i can. and i do. if he has a syndrome that lets him do as he wants then he should be watched. a kid looks good to a pedo but you wouldn't say hes a pedo so it's okay.....would you?