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Quote:Col Halt, now retired, added: “The UFOs I saw were structured machines moving under intelligent control and operating beyond the realm of anything I have ever seen before or since.
“I believe the objects that I saw were extra-terrestrial in origin.”
He is among six US former officers who broke their silence at a press conference in Washington yesterday.
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I know on the face of it, it seems ludicrous. but what are the chances these stories hold water? Are these people lying or telling the truth.
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Given the age of the universe and the no. of stars it contains I'd say it's almost certain that life has existed/exists/will exist somewhere other than on Earth.
Given the age of the universe and its size I'd say it's almost certain that we'll never cross paths with any of it.
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09-29-2010, 10:15 AM
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i have to agree with you, and i suppose in doing so dismiss the the ability that any such space faring race hasn't discovered yet how to travel much faster than the speed of light, or fold space.
i wonder why guys like this would say they saw what they did. were they confused.
will we know advanced space travel (faster than light speed, space folding, worm holes or something else) if so when. if it will be between 100 and a billion years then we have to assume that there is probably a lot of races who are a billion years older than ours with similar styles of travel.
on the other hand if space travel is only limited to less than light speed we may never see another race on earth, ever.
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It's sounds from the tone of your post that you'd like to meet E.T. So would I. And I think, at heart, so would most people. So couple a yearning that seems to be fundamental to man with some unusual phenomena and "...I'm sure it was an alien..." isn't so hard to understand.
And lets not forget we live in an age of reality television--people line up to dress in diapers and eat live cockroaches to get their face on TV--and "confessing" to having seen something nobody can ever really prove you didn't see is a much less embarrassing way of getting your picture in the Daily Star.
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if presidents can lie i'm sure air-force guys can too.
and under certain circumstances it's understandable that
what we see is interpreted as something we didn't actually see.
i think stephen hawking or someone else said.
"don't be too eager to meet aliens. they probably just want to kill you and take what they need." (paraphrased)
obviously a discussion of this sort can only be assumption, so i'd presume that if there were any race intelligent enough to travel the distances of the universe , they would probably be fairly nice beings. they'd be intelligent enough to know that they could get what ever they need from other worlds less developed. i suppose they could be mean fuckers but that's not my presumption.
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Even though these Air Force officers are highly regarded and have much technical experience, they're still as susceptible as anyone else to leaps of logic and all those other tricks our own brain pulls on us. It's a common phenomenon, across all people and cultures, to swear you saw something that you in fact didn't see or simply misinterpreted. That's my generous evaluation, anyway.
I agree that the odds of meeting other highly advanced life forms are very low. I would imagine that if aliens were, hypothetically, able to travel across the universe faster than light to get here, then their technology would be so advanced that we couldn't possibly recognize it as such.
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so the question should be;
do you think any aliens (other races ) have conquered faster then light travel
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I personally don't think so... but I also know that it's not in the least far-fetched.
Thing is, faster-than-light travel doesn't necessarily mean you could so easily traverse the universe either. It's still a bit "slow" for that... they'd still have to figure out how to survive traveling with limited resources hundreds of years at a time.
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I am probably going to sound like a moron, but ever since I was eight years old I wanted supernatural to be real. So I don't really beileve in aliens, but I study the paranormal and am starting to change my views. I've been studying the paranormal on and off for many years.
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the odds are if they're here now they were here then during zeke's time.
addy;
lets say light speed has been conquered (a big lets say i know)
wouldn't it be logical that we would be able to travel many times faster
than it like we do with the speed sound. i thing we have travelled at 30 times the speed of sound.
theres also the space folding though thats going off topic a little.
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Yeah, I guess. It's just so hard to imagine. I mean, light is the fastest thing in the universe, and being pretty much pure energy itself, it comes off as a universal ceiling to speed.
If we ever had contact with aliens with that level of technology, they'd look like gods to be sure.
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11-04-2010, 10:19 AM
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(11-04-2010, 08:54 AM)addy Wrote: Yeah, I guess. It's just so hard to imagine. I mean, light is the fastest thing in the universe, and being pretty much pure energy itself, it comes off as a universal ceiling to speed.
If we ever had contact with aliens with that level of technology, they'd look like gods to be sure.
they'd look vert intelligent to be sure but gods? i think as long as they didn't back end us we'd see them as something to learn from and sadly kill.
and are we sure light is the fastest thing in the universe.
when the big bang occurred what speed was the initial expansion?
How can the Universe expand faster than the speed of light during inflation?
Some sources indicate that the big bang caused an expansion which travelled faster than the speed of light. How can this be?
You ask a good question, one whose answer lies in the subtle difference between expansion that is faster than the speed of light and the propagation of information that is faster than the speed of light. The latter is forbidden by fundamental physical laws, but the former is allowed; that is, as long as you are not transmitting any information (like a light pulse), you can make something happen at a speed that is faster than that of light. The expansion of the Universe is a "growth" of the spacetime itself; this spacetime may move faster than the speed of light relative to some other location, as long as the two locations can't communicate with each other (or, in terms of light rays, these two parts of the Universe can't see each other). According to the theory of inflation, the Universe grew by a factor of 10 to the sixtieth power in less than 10 to the negative thirty seconds, so the "edges" of the Universe were expanding away from each other faster than the speed of light; however, as long as those edges can't see each other (which is what we always assume), there is no physical law that forbids it.
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Interesting... so theoretically when the universe inflated it did so such that objects moved away relative to one another at a rate faster than the speed of light. But, as your source said, the speed was achieved relatively, and not a case of something actually transmitting itself from one point in space to another.
We think we're world-wise now, but yeah, I would think that a civilization like that would inspire some significant awe, just because they're able to have "powers" beyond our comprehension. Think of the age of colonialism, where natives got pretty wide-eyed just seeing white-skinned men with shiny armor and guns. The disparity between us and aliens with space-traversing technology would probably be lightyears more extreme (no pun intended) 
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fair enough but back then the gulf between understand a white man's guns was probably much greater thanus understanding faster than light speed if shown the mechanism of it. (i think  )
as for the speed thing. maybe that's the way to go. learning how to transport space while you're inside it. instead of trying to transport you're self
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(11-04-2010, 10:55 AM)velvetfog Wrote: While it is theoretically impossible for objects to travel faster than the speed of light, it is in theory possible that space can be folded, and wormholes can be created between the folded layers, thus creating shortcuts from one region of space to another.
Read this: Folding Space in Science
i watched a program about that vf. and the conclusion was that it would take far more energy than we could create to achieve it. that said what we find impossible now will probably be a walk in the space park tomorrow.
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i think we still have lots of stuff to find out.
i think the next few hundered years are either going to allow us to
becomes aliens ourselves or die as a race.
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i've heard it said that when an it student gets his degree, most of what they've learned is out of date.
it sounds about right.
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And for those students students who are in more progressive fields (like computer science or robotics) they have to learn about technologies that are not yet fully developed to prepare them for jobs that don't yet exist.
Yeah, in order to manipulate space-time, as Stephen Hawking pointed out, a civilization needs to be at a level where it can produce and harness awesome amounts of energy such as the nuclear reactions of their galaxies' stars. While we, on the other hand, are still using what is essentially old organic mulch for fuel.
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who knows, if they are out there maybe there will come a time when they decide the time is right to help us with technology...
or simply wipe us out. the other thing is; maybe they already did help us. but no ones saying anything. all it would take would be the planting of an idea in Oppenheimer's head. or the head of some scientist at Manchester university as to how to go about splitting the atom (woo hoo, way to go manchester )
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