[split] The Nothing

[shemthepenman]

snortsnort you guys crack me up.  

Ray, shouldn't that number be:

011001110110111101101111011001110110111101101100011100000110110001100101011110000010000001101111011100100010000001110111011010000110111100100000011001110110100101110110011001010111001100100000011000010010000001110011011010000110100101110100?

Way too small.

shemthepenman's Personal.Space.# in decimal is:

59334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234
60348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606
31558817488152092096282925409171536436789259036001
13305305488204665213841469519415116094330572703657
59591953092186117381932611793105118548074462379962
74956735188575272489122793818301194912983367336244
065664308602139494639522473719070217


shemthepenman's Personal.Space.# in binary is:

10001101 01110110 11100001 10010001 10010100 11111001 11111101 10100011
10100101 01001111 11010111 01111101 01001100 00011110 11110011 01100001
11100110 01101100 10011101 11011001 11000010 00011000 11011101 01010110
00100101 10100111 01101100 00111011 10101101 11010110 10110110 01111011
11100111 10001000 10010110 10110011 10011101 11111011 00110110 10001101
11000000 00010111 00010110 01111111 10111100 11111100 10011010 00101001
01111110 00001100 00110110 10111101 01010011 11000001 01001101 00011011
01001111 10111100 10101110 01101100 10111111 00100110 01010000 01011101
11101101 11011000 11100100 11101100 11010011 00100001 01000010 10111110
01000101 10000100 00011111 00110010 00101001 00111001 11100000 10110110
00001011 00101000 00011000 10100110 10001010 01000100 00010100 10001000
01000010 10110110 01010101 01010011 11000000 01000100 00001110 10000100
10010111 01011011 10110011 00001001 01010010 11001001 11100001 00011000
00111100 00100111 11100110 11111110 01100010 10010000 00010111 10100100
11000000 11001010 10011011 01110110 10111111 11000010 10011001 01101011
11000000 00111010 00011001 00010111 11100100 11111000 01010110 01001110
00111111 10100011 11110110 00001000 00111110 11110111 00111000 00000110
0101

but who's counting

note for the computatively curious:

shemthepenman's Personal.Space.# is a semiprime (number with exactly two prime factors)
from a now-defunct public-key cryptography system that happened to be rattling around in
my computer for what seemed to be no good reason, but was really being saved by one
of the various gods for use as shemthepenman's Personal.Space.#  

As Roseanne Roseannadanna's father used to say: "It's always something".

don't mock the semi-prime, mock the super-prime, have some ambition (old Stewart Lee joke).

damn you (shakes fist [of fun]), now I am going to be obsessed with coding, recoding and over-coding Optimus Prime into super-prime numbers :/

[rayheinrich]

don't mock the semi-prime, mock the super-prime, have some ambition (old Stewart Lee joke).

damn you (shakes fist [of fun]), now I am going to be obsessed with coding, recoding and over-coding Optimus Prime into super-prime numbers :/

"…had Sir Isaac Newton shared the sense of humour of a member of the public,
he would have been so amused at the simple effects of gravity that he would
never have got round to making a comprehensive study of its causes.

That's the punchline, 'a comprehensive study of it's causes' !  I worked for that!
Will you be telling this joke at work tomorrow? I don't think so! - Stewart Lee

[shemthepenman]

don't mock the semi-prime, mock the super-prime, have some ambition (old Stewart Lee joke).

damn you (shakes fist [of fun]), now I am going to be obsessed with coding, recoding and over-coding Optimus Prime into super-prime numbers :/

"…had Sir Isaac Newton shared the sense of humour of a member of the public,
he would have been so amused at the simple effects of gravity that he would
never have got round to making a comprehensive study of its causes.

That's the punchline, 'a comprehensive study of it's causes' !  I worked for that!
Will you be telling this joke at work tomorrow? I don't think so! - Stewart Lee

"I don’t know if I’m the right person to be doing jokes about religion; in the past few months, I’ve become religious, I’ve started to believe in god, creationism and intelligent design, and the reason that I now believe in god and creationism and intelligent design is because of Professor Richard Dawkins. Because when I look at something as complex and intricate and beautiful as Professor Richard Dawkins, I don’t think that just could’ve evolved by chance! Professor Richard Dawkins was put there by God to test us, like fossils. And facts." - Stewart Lee


"The eighteenth-century polymath Thomas Young was the last person to have read all the books published in his lifetime. That means that he would've read all the Shakespeare and all the Greek and Roman classics and all the theology and all the philosophy and all the science. But the same man today, a man who had read all the books published today, would've had to've read all Dan Brown's novels, two volumes of Chris Moyles' autobiography, The World According to Clarkson by Jeremy Clarkson, The World according to Clarkson II by Jeremy Clarkson, The World according to Clarkson III by Jeremy Clarkson [Women and their 4 Uses by Jeremy Clarkson]... his mind would be awash with bad metaphors and unsustainable, reactionary opinion; one long anecdote about the time that Comedy Dave put pound coins in the urinal. In short, the man who had read everything published today would be more stupid than a man who had read nothing." - Stewart Lee



"The world of publishing is in crisis: publishers sell hot titles at massive discounts to supermarkets, driving independent publishers out of business. I remember when the last Harry Potter title came out, I think it was Harry Potter and the Crock of Shit. Remember that? Or Harry Potter and the Mitten of Wool? Or Harry Potter and the Stick of Wood. Or Harry Potter and the Forest of Embarrassment. Or Harry Potter and the meh meh meh. Anyway, I was in Tesco’s, and they were literally delivering the new Harry Potter books on forklift trucks, on pallets, into the supermarket. "Get your books! Pile up the books! Get a multi-pack of books! Why not take an extra book home, put it in the freezer?" You know, those Harry Potter books, you know they’re for children, don’t you? They’re aimed at children. People do that to me, "Have you read the new Harry Potter book, Stew, it’s good, have you read it?" No, I haven’t read it, because I’m a forty-year-old man. "You should read it, Stew, it’s about a wizard in a school." I’m not reading it! I’m a grown— I’m an adult! "Have you read Harry Potter, Stew, and the— and the Tree of Nothing?" No, I haven’t. I haven’t read it, but I have read the complete works of the romantic poet and visionary William Blake. So fuck off." - Stewart Lee


"You like that. That's your favorite bit, isn't it? Me saying 'dog' in a high voice. It's not my favorite bit of this routine. D'you want to know my favorite bit of this routine? It's the phrase 'The shareholders' dividends were ring fenced against pirate zombie infestation', but no one was laughing at that, which confirms to me the suspicion that for most of the evening we've been talking at cross purposes." - Stewart Lee
 

[Erthona]

I look into the sky at night through a simple telescope and see further back in time than what the creationist allow to exists. I have seen relics of man in North America from 14,000 years ago when they say the earth did not yet exist. Nor do they seem to be bothered that the very ideas they deride is the basis for the cell phone, and computer they use, as well as the typesetter used in printing the Bible they misinterpret while rudely waving it under other people's noses. Of course saying this is much akin to a composting toilet.

In terms of binary, I am for it, as I intend to buy you nary anything, so it works for me.

As to the subject we are currently on, I have no idea where it came from and I refuse to go back beyond this page to find out. I will either contribute to this meaningless conversation or not. I am fine either way.

Happy Torah Study Day,

Dale

[shemthepenman]

I look into the sky at night through a simple telescope and see further back in time than what the creationist allow to exists. I have seen relics of man in North America from 14,000 years ago when they say the earth did not yet exist. Nor do they seem to be bothered that the very ideas they deride is the basis for the cell phone, and computer they use, as well as the typesetter used in printing the Bible they misinterpret while rudely waving it under other people's noses. Of course saying this is much akin to a composting toilet.

In terms of binary, I am for it, as I intend to buy you nary anything, so it works for me.

As to the subject we are currently on, I have no idea where it came from and I refuse to go back beyond this page to find out. I will either contribute to this meaningless conversation or not. I am fine either way.

Happy Torah Study Day,

Dale

I was debating God's existence with my youngest daughter, yesterday (she is 14, a christian, believes in God and goes to church, etc.); I was explaining the theory of falsifiability, negative proofs, language violence, etc. etc. Until exasperated I pulled out the old 'if God is omnipotent, can he make a rock so big that he cannot move it?' paradox; to which she replied 'yes'. I said, but that means he is not omnipotent because he cannot move the rock. To which she replied 'he can'. I said, if he can make a rock so big that he cannot move it, but subsequently can move it, then he is not omnipotent. To which she said 'he can do both.'

What a wonderfully positive philosophy, with an unfortunately misguided aim at The Other. If only people could could put that much insanity into living this life, in this world, maybe we would have more String Theory and less Hell.

"bring something incomprehensible into the world!" -Gilles Deleuze

also, if you have a spare hour or two and haven't already seen it, this is a great film (not necessarily well acted), but it is one of those missing films that I think everyone should watch (it isn't entirely out of the blue, it does relate to this topic... or this page of topic). this is the full film on youtube (which shows how underrated it is):

[rayheinrich]

Nutshell:

He answered and said unto them: "Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries
of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given." - Matthew 13:11



P.S. Tarkovsky's 1972 film Solyaris (adapted loosely from Stanisław Lem's* novel
[Lem hated it and I agree with both of them]) is how I'd roll.

*Lem is a jewel. Have a zillion used paperbacks of his stuff.  Cyberiada is a fave.

[Brownlie]

The problem with God is that Muhammad is riven in twain while circling the depths of hell. However, arguing amongst the sickly falsifiers is always a good chuckle.

-What I said was somewhat pretentious.
-The New Yorker raving about the newest Wu-Tang Clan album is the essence of pretentiousness.

There, I've showed you pith in a handful of piths.

[Erthona]

Personally I think she has you by the nads It must kill you that she is a Christian, but at the same time you know that by being one it reduces her chance for promiscuity. However I agree with her, not that there is a god, but that he can do both. One time I was in a certain state of mind (surprisingly not drug induced), and as a result of that I had complete clarity about what the image in Ezekiel's "The Vision of the Four Wheels," meant. I could see how it could move the way he described, even though it contradicted our physical laws. I was able to hold on to it for a few days but then it began to fade. Although I cannot recall it now, I know it was genuine and valid knowledge but it could not be explained by the use of our reasoning ability as that faculty is limited in this world. I think everyone has had dreams that seem more real than our everyday waking reality. As we do not know what to do with it/them, we simply ignore them. These are toe tips into these other worlds, for lack of a better term. You can believe it or not, and I cannot prove it in terms of the limited rules and rationality that apply to "our" reality, but there are other realities that do not play by our rules. Anyway the point of this was that maybe you can give your daughter a little room to enjoy the reality she sees before our reality imposes itself on her and her view of reality becomes frozen like us wiser people

dale

I had an epiphany, just the regular kind.
Hurriedly, I took a pen and wrote it down
gave it to everyone I knew
and they all agreed,
it was really quite profound.
I guess I must agree with them.
Profound: I admit it does seem.
Especially now that time has passed,
and I can’t recall
what any of it means.


 
–Erthona
 
 
©2005 Dale B. Tisdale

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Oh yeah, I will try to watch that film.

[shemthepenman]

Personally I think she has you by the nads. It must kill you that she is a Christian, but at the same time you know that by being one it reduces her chance for promiscuity. However I agree with her, not that there is a god, but that he can do both. One time I was in a certain state of mind (surprisingly not drug induced), and as a result of that I had complete clarity about what the image in Ezekiel's "The Vision of the Four Wheels," meant. I could see how it could move the way he described, even though it contradicted our physical laws. I was able to hold on to it for a few days but then it began to fade. Although I cannot recall it now, I know it was genuine and valid knowledge but it could not be explained by the use of our reasoning ability as that faculty is limited in this world. I think everyone has had dreams that seem more real than our everyday waking reality. As we do not know what to do with it/them, we simply ignore them. These are toe tips into these other worlds, for lack of a better term. You can believe it or not, and I cannot prove it in terms of the limited rules and rationality that apply to "our" reality, but there are other realities that do not play by our rules. Anyway the point of this was that maybe you can give your daughter a little room to enjoy the reality she sees before our reality imposes itself on her and her view of reality becomes frozen like us wiser people(:

dale

I had an epiphany, just the regular kind.
Hurriedly, I took a pen and wrote it down
gave it to everyone I knew
and they all agreed,
it was really quite profound.
I guess I must agree with them.
Profound: I admit it does seem.
Especially now that time has passed,
and I can’t recall
what any of it means.


 
–Erthona
 
 
©2005 Dale B. Tisdale

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Oh yeah, I will try to watch that film.

Yep, she got me by the Monads . Firstly, it doesn't really bother me that she is Christian, per se, it just baffles me Because in every other characteristic she is a very thoughtful and intelligent girl.

With regards to agreeing, I really love this answer of 'yes, he can do both', minus the He, business. And I didn't mean to sound flippant about her response, because I for sure love those breaks with human reason and logic (or possibly even social reason and logic). But there are two points at which I worry, 1) that reason and logic are abandoned without understanding (as an analogy, the poet that attempts to break the rules of poetry without knowing the rules of poetry. This may seem like a false analogy, but if one doesn't understand why the God/Rock paradox is a paradox then it is hard to get past that). 2) Because this kind of thinking is directed at some non-experience. I will say no more about this second point only to direct anyone who hasn't to read Deleuze's book on Nietzsche.
 
and again, you are right about this 'allowing your daughter to enjoy...' I only wish she would start
creating her own reality, is all.
 
Oh, and yes, as you said there is one upside to the christian thing, chastity She has a boyfriend who
is also a church going christian, so thank Darwin for small miracles.

[Erthona]

1) that reason and logic are abandoned without understanding (as an analogy, the poet that attempts to break the rules of poetry without knowing the rules of poetry. This may seem like a false analogy, but if one doesn't understand why the God/Rock paradox is a paradox then it is hard to get past that).

Generally as rationalism is such an all-encompassing theory, it leaves no room for anything else once one has become conditioned to it. So it is quite possible what you are asking for is impossible. Rationalism demands from us certain sacrifices. These sacrifices relate to giving up the possibility of all things (limiting possibility to what rationalism says is possible), and limiting what can be to the subset called rational, or logical, whose main tool these days is the scientific method. Example: the fairies that both of my girls used to see when they were little. Even today they can recall what they saw, they are simply unable to see them any more. Rationalism would demand that we believe there are no such things as "fairies". If one excludes the possibility that such a thing could exist, for that person that becomes a fact.

2. "Because this kind of thinking is directed at some non-experience."

As you're not going to define what "non-experience" is except to say read this book, I think I will pass. In the future if that is the kind of statement you want to use, it might be best not to make a statement at all. If it takes an entire book to describe this "non-experience" idea then it is probably not something worth reading. Any idea worth it's pay will always be elegant, it will be simply rather than complex, but not simplistic. Although there may be details about it to explore, the basic concept is brief and elegant. example: Cogito Ergo Sum
"The more complex the expression of the basic concept the less likely it is to have value." That one is mine, it's a little long but I do not claim to be Descartes. God damn it Jim, I'm just a country poet.

dale the non-philospher

[ellajam]

Boys, boys, often with the attempted chastity comes an anit-abortion stance, leading to many babies with parents not grown up yet themselves. Please don't assume religious beliefs make your angels angels, someone's got to be the grown-up.

Next move for this thread? Straight discussion? Arse or sewer? Beats me, I have no desire to get it back on topic.

[bena]

well...it isn't quite sewer material yet....but I'd bet we're arsy-fartsy

I've never really been know to stick to a subject....oh the tangents my brain goes on at times!

[rayheinrich]

"[split] The Nothing" is described quite adequately in Genesis.

[shemthepenman]

I am sure passing on a book because the almighty me suggested it is a super philosophy. However, I was bored of my own pontificating and had I summed it up it would have only lead to more debate probably equalling the word count for the book itself. In which case, either you are interested enough by my recommendation or are not. It is of little consequence. It reminds me of that Spencer quote "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance — that principle is contempt prior to investigation."

and, to be sure, this is an aphoristic expression. It has value. But it gives everything. I do not need to read a book to explain the subtleties of this statement; unlike 'cogito ergo sum' which on its own (without the pages and pages of argument leading up to this conclusion) is just silly, out of context. It means nothing.

There was this girl at this party my friend and I went to when we were  17 and she said after a discussion about philosophy 'I think therefore I am'. Well done her, but what? This is not the expression of a basic concept. It is just an expression (Cogito ergo sum is just a building block for many layers of conclusions... one of which is the existence of god, not to mention the mind body dualism). The basic concept is written over many pages of The Meditations by Descartes. What does expression of concept have to do with value of concept? What is the relation between those two things. Had Descartes been an absolute fuck-tard with language he could have written something so complex and obscure that no aphorism would have been produced... would the basic concept have been of little value?


“A concept is a brick. It can be used to build a courthouse of reason. Or it can be thrown through the window.”
 - Deleuze

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Boys, boys, often with the attempted chastity comes an anit-abortion stance, leading to many babies with parents not grown up yet themselves.  Please don't assume religious beliefs make your angels angels, someone's got to be the grown-up.

Next move for this thread? Straight discussion? Arse or sewer? Beats me, I have no desire to get it back on topic.

it is true, of course.

[rayheinrich]

Boys, boys, often with the attempted chastity comes an anit-abortion stance, leading to many babies with parents not grown up yet themselves.  Please don't assume religious beliefs make your angels angels, someone's got to be the grown-up.

Next move for this thread? Straight discussion? Arse or sewer? Beats me, I have no desire to get it back on topic.

But, wait, I thought it was still on topic. Shit, my elliptical comprehension has befuddled me again!


(Though maybe it's because of its split personality, of its being Being and Nothingness.
Oh, damn, don't get me Sartred on that... )