alternate big bang theories

[billy]

that's a different kind of big bang.
now back on topic

if the patch theory is right.
does it mean that all universe would be made of the same stuff?

[altezon]

that's a different kind of big bang.
now back on topic

if the patch theory is right.
does it mean that all universe would be made of the same stuff?

I don't know. Give me time to study it. leepy:

[billy]

the reason i ask is this.

what happens if the patch of the universe which creates
the big bang only has a few or small amount of elements in it?

[altezon]

what happens if the patch of the universe which creates
the big bang only has a few or small amount of elements in it?

If it's like the Big Bang, elements don't survive it -- not even familiar subatomic particles do.
It takes 377,000 years for atoms to form, and these are all hydrogen and helium.
Over 300 hundred million years later the first stars begin synthesizing the heavier elements.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Big_Bang

[billy]

so wouldn't that mean that even if the patch theory were true. matter still comes from nothing

[altezon]

so wouldn't that mean that even if the patch theory were true. matter still comes from nothing

No one said there wasn't matter -- it just wasn't familiar matter (read link).
As for the patch theory, find out what it actually says and I'll try to comprehend it.

[billy]

i think your misconstruing my question.

i looked on non familiar matter as something that wasn't there before which in turn i saw as something that came from nothing.

[altezon]

i think your misconstruing my question.

i looked on non familiar matter as something that wasn't there before which in turn i saw as something that came from nothing.

I understood your question. I have no other answer.

Oh all right. In the Big Bang model, a quark-and-gluon soup preceded the formation of atoms. This is the "unfamiliar matter" I referred to -- unfamiliar to everyone but supercollider operators, that is. But matter is implied at any stage of the Big Bang by the energy alone, since matter and energy are interconvertible (e=mc2). So I'd expect that a patch empty of matter would need colossal energy to bang out a new universe.

If you're really curious, buy the paper and I'll help figure it out.

[billy]

i'll try and be more clear

this is part of one theory;

This potentially means that many of the black holes in our own universe are the incubators of entirely new universes, each separated by the infinite time gap of the event horizon. That said, some properties of the mother universe could trickle through to its daughters, and detecting some of these properties could actually provide experimental proof of the theory

it doesn't conflict with the black hole theory as the patch snaps back to form a sigularity (i presume in the form of a black hole ?)

if we start each new universe with nothing, how can we then detect some properties of mother universe and how would we even know they were properties of mother universe. would we be more likely to call them x, y or blah properties (even higgs bosson particles )

as for buy the white paper, tfu: stop it
spending money takes the fun out of any discussion

[altezon]

as for buy the white paper, tfu: stop it
spending money takes the fun out of any discussion

Steal it then.

[billy]

lets not get too far off topic please

do any white papers get tp tpb if so i wonder if they have any on
the big bang/path/blackhole stuff or part there of?

[altezon]

Found them both



Turnaround in Cyclic Cosmology (Baum-Frampton, 49 pp.)
(Patches return empty of matter)
http://www.physics.unc.edu/~frampton/TURN.pdf



Radial motion into an Einstein-Rosen bridge (Poplawski, 7pp.)
(Addy's "Black Hole Theory")
http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~nipoplaw...87_110.pdf

[billy]

i had a read of the 2nd one and now realize i'm so far out of my depth, to do anything but generalize would be silly of me. there is a guy called lifshitz in the article which was amusing

[altezon]

i had a read of the 2nd one and now realize i'm so far out of my depth, to do anything but generalize would be silly of me. there is a guy called lifshitz in the article which was amusing

This is a very readable book you'd probably enjoy, since you're interested what's inside a black hole.



http://www.amazon.com/Iron-Sun-Crossing-...0446897965

(44 used & new available from $0.01)

[billy]

thanks i'll give it a go.

[altezon]