jon venables charged with child porn offences

[billy]

child porn sisn't the topic though it is related to it.

the question is this,
should people charged with heinous crimes against kids ever be released?

the person in question here did atrocious acts with his brother against a two year old who they lured away from a shopping center.

i'm not putting this in a spoiler as it's pertinent to the thread.

they took the kid to a railway line, they then shoved large batteries up the male childs ass and beat him unconsious. they then left the kid draped over the lines so a train could mangle the body up.

at the time the outcry for these two to be locked up for life was massive.

they were given life and placed in a childrens facility because of their age. they really sufferen no hardship of the prison system. they were convicted of the 2 year olds murder in 1993 and released on license from their life sentence in 2001 (8 fucking years later )

should heinous crimes against kids where the violence and anger and torture is so obvious as to show the children knew what they were doing should allow for such an early (if any) release?

the parents of the dead child had their lives ruined and split up. when the two were released the outcry was lead by them both and whole of the country agreed (mainly ) yet the judges and the prison system said. these people no longer pose a threat to kids, they can have parole.

personally i'm disgusted. so the question is;

should kids who sexually molest torture and kill kids be given parole after 8 years?

Source here;
to get an idea of what happened tis is another must read.
the details of the bulger murder here;

at the time of of the trial i remember watching it on the news and crying. my youngest girl at the time was 13, we cried together.

[srijantje]

what can one say,it makes me so sad to read things like that,for the victims family as well as the perpetrator ,look at the the foto and one can cry,what a waste

[billy]

should the killers have been tried as adults. should they have been released?

i think it was irrelevant how they were tried. they should have been locked up for life though. sounds cruel it's how i feel.

[srijantje]

at ten years of age i don't think you can be held totally accountable for your deeds,is why they were put in some rehab place i suppose,it clearly didn't work for one of them,the question for me is,was he born totally screwed up and was it therefor inevitable that he would do something awfull like that?

[billy]

i don't know

the shrinks
for what they're worth said
they knew what they were doing.
that they knew the difference between right and wrong.
at 6 or 7 or 10, i'd know it ws really really wrong to cut a two year old in half with a train after burying his is head under stones. i'd know it was to do some of the terrible things they did to him.

i think it takes a special kind of person, no matter what age to do such acts. and once done how could a person of any age be trusted in society
ever again. i'd have locked them up till they died. without a 2nd thought.

[srijantje]

i just don't know if they were born that way or got screwed up along the way,abused as children?

[kath3]

I read about this years ago ... it sickened me.
Some time ago I had googled "children who commit murder", I was shocked to discover some of the most horrific murders in the history of the world were committed by children under the age of 16.
These two boys who did the awful deed should have been put down just as vicious dogs are.
What I would like to know is ... how does one live with themselves after committing such a violent act? I think I would put myself down. I haven't a speck of sympathy for either of them. There are many children who suffer horrible existences at the hands of their caregivers and become worthy citizens just as there are well loved children who emerge as evil. We are accountable for our actions at all times.

[billy]

i'm of a similar mind i suppose though the thought of killing even a rabid child
feels wrong. i really don't think they're safe to be released. i wouldn't
trust myself to be right.

mary bell was another who killed as a child (she was 10) but found to have had diminished responsibilities. she's another who i could never have brought myself to have released.

i don't think psychopaths see their wrong doing the way we do.
to them it's just something to do. they have little conscience. it's one of the things that makes
me think they should never be released. you can't grow a conscience.

as well as your question about them living with themselves.

how can society reconcile themselves to say 8 years is fair justice for the willful taking of a life.
how do the bulgar family feel what justice should be with decisions like that

[kath3]

i'm of a similar mind i suppose though the thought of killing even a rabid child
feels wrong. i really don't think they're safe to be released. i wouldn't
trust myself to be right.

mary bell was another who killed as a child (she was 10) but found to have had diminished responsibilities. she's another who i could never have brought myself to have released.

i don't think psychopaths see their wrong doing the way we do.
to them it's just something to do. they have little conscience. it's one of the things that makes
me think they should never be released. you can't grow a conscience.

as well as your question about them living with themselves.

how can society reconcile themselves to say 8 years is fair justice for the willful taking of a life.
how do the bulgar family feel what justice should be with decisions like that

I don't see it as killing them but rather as putting them out of their misery.
8 years is a drop in the bucket and an insult to the families. That little boy isn't even mine and I feel anguish ... I can't even begin to comprehend what the families have had to go through.

[srijantje]

does what the family has to go through anything to do with the hight of the sentence?their baby is dead,that's what they have to work out,forget about the psycho's who did it

[billy]

definitely (i think it does at least lol)

i'm not on about the length of the sentence.
but the justice behind it.

i know i wouldn't be seeing justice done if after 8 years the killers of my child were set free to lead a normal life with new identities and jobs and addresses etc.

for me justice would have been the death sentence but i would have felt justice were appeased had they got life without parole.

these two fuckers didn't see or do a days jail time. that's not what i call justice. and i'm not jamie's parent

[srijantje]

if i couldn't live with it,i would find them and put a bullet through their brain myself

[billy]

finding them isn't and wasn't that easy.

newspapers were sued when they did an expose on them and again they got new ID's.
still no one knows where the other killer is or what he's up to.

some say they were moved abroad. the home office put so many red herrings out they were even quoted as being in australia.

i for one know couldn't have lived wit the lack of justice re the sentence.

[addy]

What those boys did... I couldn't even finish reading. It crosses the line from wrong to completely inhuman. Evil plain and simple.

They shouldn't have been released after eight years. Were there any assurances at all that these boys were rehabilitated at the time of their release, or was it simply a matter of "hey, they were minors at the time so whatever"?

[billy]

i think it was just that.
a case of the home office trying to look like he was
compassionate, as it was/is; instead of being a good
person he just showed himself (in my eyes) to be
a moron without any idea as to what justice really is.

[billy]

the outcome

he got two years.

source:

this guys on parole for murdering a child.

gets caught by police with cocaine and is given a pat on the back.
any other killer would have had his license revoked and be sent back to prison.

he has proved he's still a threat by downloading pics of kids being raped etc and he still doesn't get his parole license revoked.

all i can say is its fucking scandalous.
this guy is on the sex register now....you mean he wasn't originally put on it for killing and sexually abusing a child for which he got a life sentence????

whats really fuckin suckable is this. he gets to keep his secret identity which means him being on the sex register doesn't affect him. he should be back finishing off his sentence under the rules of his parole. either that or shot in the head.