Resource for developing poets

[milo]

Here is a great resource for developing poets:
http://www.firesides.ca/poemtips.htm

Coin Ward put it up about a decade or more ago (yes, Ray, that Colin) as a kind of primer for developing poets. You can read through the whole thing in about 20 minutes but it is jam packed with concepts in poetry and about 80% of the questions I see come up here are answered there, slightly more elegantly than I ever seem to manage.

I re-read it just the other day and it reminded me of quite a few important concepts.

[Brownlie]

Here is a great resource for developing poets:
http://www.firesides.ca/poemtips.htm

Coin Ward put it up about a decade or more ago (yes, Ray, that Colin) as a kind of primer for developing poets. You can read through the whole thing in about 20 minutes but it is jam packed with concepts in poetry and about 80% of the questions I see come up here are answered there, slightly more elegantly than I ever seem to manage.

I re-read it just the other day and it reminded me of quite a few important concepts.

Thanks for posting it is a pretty good piece of theory

[Leanne]

I haven't seen the Barnacle Test mentioned for ages (except sometimes by me, though it's certainly not my invention!). It's a surefire way to pick a load of abstract godawfulness.

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milo, please note the inclusion of the amphibrach

[milo]

I haven't seen the Barnacle Test mentioned for ages (except sometimes by me, though it's certainly not my invention!). It's a surefire way to pick a load of abstract godawfulness.

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milo, please note the inclusion of the amphibrach

I was going to include it in my summary of glaring errors.

[Leanne]

Yours or his?

[rayheinrich]

Here is a great resource for developing poets:
http://www.firesides.ca/poemtips.htm

Coin Ward put it up about a decade or more ago (yes, Ray, that Colin) ...

Yes. Colin Ward: Poet(good), educator, and internet perseverist...
And, even though I railed (quite a few times) against his "objective"
opinions about attaining/obtaining objectivity, he realized I was a
crank and put up with me anyway. But back on topic: There's whole
bunches of good stuff in 'Poetry Tips'. I especially like the examples
as most advice tends to leave them out.

BTW, check the dude out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YMxHuvVULM

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... please note the inclusion of the amphibrach

Amphibrach

[billy]

i tried to get in touch so i could ask for permission to create a pdf and post it on the site but had no luck.

[R.C. KITCHENS]

Here is a great resource for developing poets:
http://www.firesides.ca/poemtips.htm

Coin Ward put it up about a decade or more ago (yes, Ray, that Colin) as a kind of primer for developing poets. You can read through the whole thing in about 20 minutes but it is jam packed with concepts in poetry and about 80% of the questions I see come up here are answered there, slightly more elegantly than I ever seem to manage.

I re-read it just the other day and it reminded me of quite a few important concepts.

Good read.

[billy]

Collin (not that i know him ) kindly gave me permission to create a pdf of anything on his site so members here can download it and read it off line. it can be found in the " poetry practice exercises" forum under "Some Helpful PDF's" thread. it's title is "Colin Ward's poetry tips."

[Brownlie]

Those PDFS got me through a train ride. Thanks Billy!

[billy]

good for you. i wish i'd have had half this stuff when i were young and illiterate

[Brownlie]

good for you. i wish i'd have had half this stuff when i were young and illiterate

I don't know what that would be like... That isn't fair man... but you must have taught yourself something because you probably know more about poetry than half the students at my college.

[billy]

that would be hyperbole milo, leanne and todd are three of the craftspersons on the site. i'm at that dangerous stage where you know something but you're not sure what the fuck it is

[rowens]

I don't know anything. I don't take a step unless I make it up out of scratch first. Or out of trash.

[Brownlie]

that would be hyperbole milo, leanne and todd are three of the craftspersons on the site. i'm at that dangerous stage where yiu something but you're not sure what the fuck it is

You always leave good comments. I don't know if you are being sarcastic but you've helped me a great deal. I also think that poetry can be esoteric and I would gladly sift through anything you write. At least, I don't think I'm any smarter than you. I'm being candid I've seen some crazy stupid kids...

[billy]

i was being serious. i think people take what they can and give what they can. some are more capable, some seem more capable depending on what level a poet is at. one of the best things a person can do with feedback, is question it; use google to get a bit of verification, start a discussion about it. milo and leanne and some others have good sound knowledge we can all learn from. some (like me) have fairly sound ideas and some knowledge that might be shaky in places. some of the pdf's i put up won't always be the best you can get, but hopefully they'll help in finding out at what level we're at and how to move on to the next (if that's what you wish) i'm not sure it's about those who give feedback, i think it should be about how we react to feedback in general, do we take anything from it, both the good and not so good critiques. can we teach ourselves to be discerning and calm. can we bite out tongue and say thank you as easily as we say thank you to praise. can we admit that 5 people who say the same thing might just have a point .