same sex marriage

[HSLearner]

actually no one has the right to be married in church except those the church deem fit.

the same as a poetry site has the right to ban you from it's site if you don't follow the rule.

and i agree that all people be allowed to be seen as married in the eyes of the state.

as for equal rights...there has to be qualifiers, do convicts have the same legal rights as non convicts.
if gays can have sex in prison with their wives or husbands, why can't heterosexuals?
are children eligible for equal rights, in truth there is no such thing as equal rights, the society we live in dictate who has what rights. despite what we as individuals think people should have.

an example would be not allowing ex cons to bear arms even though the 2nd amendment allows it, a criteria often has to be fulfilled. pedo's with convictions aren't allowed to work in teaching for example.

if i were gay i'd want the state to see me and any long term partner as one entity the same as they do with marriage, i would care what they called it. they could call it a fuckbuddy contract for all i care as long as we got the same tax breaks and the chance of a honeymoon.

Are you hinting at banning me from this site for saying that "all people should have equal rights"?

[Leanne]

Are you hinting at banning me from this site for saying that "all people should have equal rights"?

Whoa -- that's what you got from billy's post? Why, does it apply to you? Have you broken a rule? That's what we call -- on a poetry site -- an analogy.

And what billy's saying is pretty right, really, whereas what you said was a generalisation or a bit of a bumper sticker platitude. All people might be created equal (in a perfect world), but there are some who give up their right to that equality by their actions.

Neither billy nor anyone else on this site, as far as I can see, has even come close to hinting that one of those actions might be engaging in a homosexual relationship. What he did say is that a church -- separate from the state and an institution in its own right -- has the final say on who it marries. Religious and secular law are different things. The members of that church may continue to lobby against its rulings, but it cannot be forced to provide a sacrament, whether we agree with it or not.

Now, perhaps you can remove that chip from your shoulder.

[Truerenigma]

Well, here you can be married by a judge, or random person with a mail order certificate. And you need a marriage license from the state before even the church can marry you. Not all marriages are religious practices, and why would you want a sacrament from a church that you disagree with on morality issues, which are the most important part of religion in the first place?

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Anyway, there are plenty of churches in the states that both accept and marry gays.

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Actually, I wouldn't say plenty. There are some churches that are more open minded than others, but it's still rather unbalanced. But religion is religion is religion. Some believe one way, others believe another.

[Leanne]

Well, here you can be married by a judge, or random person with a mail order certificate. And you need a marriage license from the state before even the church can marry you. Not all marriages are religious practices, and why would you want a sacrament from a church that you disagree with on morality issues, which are the most important part of religion in the first place?

Exactly. Whether a church allows it or not is almost entirely irrelevant to the debate. I'm already going to hell for using contraception, apparently

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Hooray for Gosford -- one of my favourite towns for many reasons, but this is the latest.

[billy]

banana skins are not contraceptives

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actually no one has the right to be married in church except those the church deem fit.

the same as a poetry site has the right to ban you from it's site if you don't follow the rule.

and i agree that all people be allowed to be seen as married in the eyes of the state.

as for equal rights...there has to be qualifiers, do convicts have the same legal rights as non convicts.
if gays can have sex in prison with their wives or husbands, why can't heterosexuals?
are children eligible for equal rights, in truth there is no such thing as equal rights, the society we live in dictate who has what rights. despite what we as individuals think people should have.

an example would be not allowing ex cons to bear arms even though the 2nd amendment allows it, a criteria often has to be fulfilled. pedo's with convictions aren't allowed to work in teaching for example.

if i were gay i'd want the state to see me and any long term partner as one entity the same as they do with marriage, i would care what they called it. they could call it a fuckbuddy contract for all i care as long as we got the same tax breaks and the chance of a honeymoon.

Are you hinting at banning me from this site for saying that "all people should have equal rights"?

contrary to popular belief, we encourage discussion. why would someone be banned for saying that. leanne got my point across pretty well so i won't go over but to answer you in a word, no

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Well, here you can be married by a judge, or random person with a mail order certificate. And you need a marriage license from the state before even the church can marry you. Not all marriages are religious practices, and why would you want a sacrament from a church that you disagree with on morality issues, which are the most important part of religion in the first place?

Exactly. Whether a church allows it or not is almost entirely irrelevant to the debate. I'm already going to hell for using contraception, apparently

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Hooray for Gosford -- one of my favourite towns for many reasons, but this is the latest.

i should have said catholic church

[Leanne]

There are several elements within the Catholic Church that are fairly progressive in terms of gay rights, marriage etc... give it a few years. Which will still be centuries before the Baptists

[billy]

the new pope said who is he to judge but he won't be marrying any gays any time soon

[HSLearner]

Day 1: Drama.

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Are you hinting at banning me from this site for saying that "all people should have equal rights"?

Whoa -- that's what you got from billy's post? Why, does it apply to you? Have you broken a rule? That's what we call -- on a poetry site -- an analogy.

And what billy's saying is pretty right, really, whereas what you said was a generalisation or a bit of a bumper sticker platitude. All people might be created equal (in a perfect world), but there are some who give up their right to that equality by their actions.

Neither billy nor anyone else on this site, as far as I can see, has even come close to hinting that one of those actions might be engaging in a homosexual relationship. What he did say is that a church -- separate from the state and an institution in its own right -- has the final say on who it marries. Religious and secular law are different things. The members of that church may continue to lobby against its rulings, but it cannot be forced to provide a sacrament, whether we agree with it or not.

Now, perhaps you can remove that chip from your shoulder.

I just wanted to know how freely I could speak my mind on this site without being banned. Obviously, not much. I'm not going to bother engaging in discussion if it means I'll be banned, and that likely means "engaging in discussion" is highly censored and therefore not worth engaging in. If people can't be honest and express what they truly think, there's no point in discussion. A site without censorship has far better value as far as discussion is concerned because it means that people are able to say what they think - without being censored as if they were surrounded by the thought police. Am I wrong? I'm not going to say what I really think, because I don't want to be banned. Free expression isn't here.

[cidermaid]

@ HSLearner. Get a grip nobody said you would be banned for having an independant thought...and thinking is sooo important. The only pointless part of this discussion is your sad attempts to control and manipulate what others are saying. Join in or not as you so desire.

@Billy your comment on going to hell for the use of contraceptives made me want to rush off and watch the meaning of life again. I think your banana skins comment should be part of the film script...perhaps you have missed your calling in life?

Meanwhile back at the discussion:-
I agree with the idea of limiting the number of laws that can be passed (in total). I would like to see the introduction of a bill that requires town planners to live in the houses that they are demanding are built.
Also I think that nobody should be in politics who does not / has not run their own business. (or at least made a fortune in investments). Basically if you don't have the get up and go and mental ability to contribute something to the country and manage the finances of a business then you should not be able to run the country on this basis, you are not qualified. Political wanabes fresh out of college who attend the London school of econimics as a stepping stone to the halls of power should be denied their place just on the basis of being wet behind the ears.

[Leanne]

I just wanted to know how freely I could speak my mind on this site without being banned. Obviously, not much. I'm not going to bother engaging in discussion if it means I'll be banned, and that likely means "engaging in discussion" is highly censored and therefore not worth engaging in. If people can't be honest and express what they truly think, there's no point in discussion. A site without censorship has far better value as far as discussion is concerned because it means that people are able to say what they think - without being censored as if they were surrounded by the thought police. Am I wrong? I'm not going to say what I really think, because I don't want to be banned. Free expression isn't here.

As far as I can see, you haven't yet actually spoken your mind. Instead, you've attempted to twist everyone else's words into your own pathetic attempt to paint yourself as a victim of censorship. Good luck with that. Do try and come up with something more original and interesting next time.

[HSLearner]

As far as I can see, you haven't yet actually spoken your mind. Instead, you've attempted to twist everyone else's words into your own pathetic attempt to paint yourself as a victim of censorship. Good luck with that. Do try and come up with something more original and interesting next time.

I haven't spoken my mind. If I did, I wouldn't be able to post here anymore. Your language is fucking sad - I hope your poetry isn't as cliched as your insults, but I doubt with the dishonesty of a board like this anyone would ever be able to critique it without lying.

[Leanne]

Hooray for Trolliwood.

Here's what we'll do, champ. We won't ban you because you haven't broken any rules -- there are no rules against being a dick -- but we won't feed you anymore. Have a nice delusion.

[billy]

As far as I can see, you haven't yet actually spoken your mind. Instead, you've attempted to twist everyone else's words into your own pathetic attempt to paint yourself as a victim of censorship. Good luck with that. Do try and come up with something more original and interesting next time.

I haven't spoken my mind. If I did, I wouldn't be able to post here anymore. Your language is fucking sad - I hope your poetry isn't as cliched as your insults, but I doubt with the dishonesty of a board like this anyone would ever be able to critique it without lying.

i'll feed it

here kitty.

speak your mind or fuck off, just stop posting off topic and stop with the trolley.

[HSLearner]

As far as I can see, you haven't yet actually spoken your mind. Instead, you've attempted to twist everyone else's words into your own pathetic attempt to paint yourself as a victim of censorship. Good luck with that. Do try and come up with something more original and interesting next time.

I haven't spoken my mind. If I did, I wouldn't be able to post here anymore. Your language is fucking sad - I hope your poetry isn't as cliched as your insults, but I doubt with the dishonesty of a board like this anyone would ever be able to critique it without lying.

i'll feed it

here kitty.

speak your mind or fuck off, just stop posting off topic and stop with the trolley.

This coming from a guy with a picture of a baby in a bandana smoking a cigarette. Is that your image? How far does it go? Just enough to make you cool? But not too far, right?

[fim]

I just wanted to know how freely I could speak my mind on this site without being banned. Obviously, not much. I'm not going to bother engaging in discussion if it means I'll be banned, and that likely means "engaging in discussion" is highly censored and therefore not worth engaging in. If people can't be honest and express what they truly think, there's no point in discussion. A site without censorship has far better value as far as discussion is concerned because it means that people are able to say what they think - without being censored as if they were surrounded by the thought police. Am I wrong? I'm not going to say what I really think, because I don't want to be banned. Free expression isn't here.

Did somebody say "banned?!?" Just use witty repartee!
I would like to add my 2 cents (or 1 pence worth) ... but I don't have anything to contribute. In reflecting on life I seem to have come to the conclusion that, generally speaking, most things that happen, most developments that occur, are going to happen or not happen regardless of what the average person thinks about them. So I just try to be with be with what is. Yea, Yoga is messing with my brain as well as my body, but I think in a good way. For what it is worth, I kind of think that what goes around comes around, and people that care for others before themselves know riches money can't buy.
Just wanted to let you know I enjoyed reading your discussion.
fim

As far as I can see, you haven't yet actually spoken your mind. Instead, you've attempted to twist everyone else's words into your own pathetic attempt to paint yourself as a victim of censorship. Good luck with that. Do try and come up with something more original and interesting next time.

[Milburn]

According to my personal view the same sex marriage is not good from any aspect of the health, social and religiously. so I think it should be baan.Prefabricated Homes

[billy]

off topic
are you a spammer milburn? i only ask cos the mods are taking bets and want an edge :J:

on topic.

what does same sex marriage have to do with health? why does it have to be a religious ceremony and does society really care that much if the get married or not?