Violence; does it work?

[billy]

i get my meat from a supermarket, if they sell it, i eat it. i have yet to ask for the name and address of a cow or pig, i have yet to ask how they were raised. ethics only apply when someone tells us about them. i said ooh and 'never' when i saw what was going on in Indonesia; probably over a nice piece of meat. (i can't see butchering ethics as being that good here in the philippines either but what can i say, i eat meat.) so my take is that violence with to or because of cows probably does work. killing a cow can't be anything but violent, even if we kill it in it's sleep. violence to vegetables...now that's another story, but it has been shown that plants can and do communicate to each other. (they scream when hurt) once the vegans realise they're hurting the carrots their ways will end. .
violence is often a means to end, and end which they usually don't want or didn't expect. look around the middle east. iraq could turn against the us at a minutes notice. while it does have a pay day, we have to remember that we're (whether we're armies, bullies, wife beaters, which i suppose is the same thing, molesters etc) never going to really be at the top of the food chain

children need a bit of violence in their lives if only to keep them occupied. have you ever seen them deconstruct pet animals, or at least try to we ar violent.. it's who we are.