05-24-2012, 09:13 AM
"they'll sell to the highest bidder"
And so when two people want your service, you accept the one who can only pay half of your normal fee, rather than the one who could pay the full amount?
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Are you using fracking to mean the process of forcing sand into a formation that contains liquid, in an attempt to create space for the liquid to flow into, thus making it recoverable, or do you mean "frack" to kill ones superior officer because he is an idiot and will get you killed if you don't, so you create an incident of friendly fire during the next petrol when there is an exchange of fire with the enemy, as was often the practice for removing idiot 2nd lieutenants during the Vietnam "conflict".
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Thank you Billy. See there sri pissy pants, logic and deduction work quite well in the absence of "facts". "Facts", which are often corrupt because the researcher has a political ax to grind. Although in this case I will agree with the "facts" Billy found because it is supported by logic. The ax to grind was on the global warming side as it often is these days. This is especially true if what one is modeling is exceptionally complex, especially when not all the influences are known, or correctly accounted for in terms of how they affect the overall validity of the statistical model. I don't know one way or the other about global warming, except to say we do not have enough, good data from a long enough period to make any kind of deduction whatsoever (we don't even have enough to have a decent guess of all the influences that need to be included and given what weight). What I do know for certain is that whenever we have a massive volcanic eruption the global temperature decreases, it does not increase. Even with something as relatively simple as ozone depletion compared with global warming, which is at least on the level of an order of magnitude more complex, even the best statistical models of ozone depletion can account for less than 80% of what is causing the loss, and we do not know what the length of regeneration is within 150 years, and this goes up or down depending on how the rest of the data is manipulated in terms of what, and to what degree other factors are involved in depletion. To get close to the 80% mark the time to replenish the ozone has to be doubled (although it is pretty much a given that HFC's account for a majority of the loss, and this is backed by fairly firm science). To my mind it is much more a sure thing that that the heat generated as a by product of current technology, and the heat trapping and storing capabilities of concrete could represent a significant percentage of global warming, and yet most models do not even take these effects into account. Yet all one has to do is take a ride on a motorcycle from the city to the country and he will become aware of about a 7 to 8 degree (Fahrenheit) difference between the two places. Anyone who has ever taken a walk where there are areas with rock and not rock sections will easily notice a difference of around 3 to 4 degrees, and concrete is much more efficient at retaining heat than rock. One of the four people who coauthored "Synthesis of the Elements in Stars," in 1957 Margaret Burbidge is still alive, and the others have only died within the last 12 years, W. A. Fowler (1995), Geoffrey Burbidge (2010), and Fred Hoyle (2001). Even in the broad strokes our understanding about how the sun functions, as well as fluctuates is still very incomplete. It is only recently that we have stated to come to an understanding of the role of magnetic field lines in solar flares. The idea of plate tectonics was ridiculed until about a half century ago. We have no idea if Anaerobic bacteria role in past global warming events should be accounted for in our current models.
Is there Global warming? Yes, and there has been for the last 20,000 years since we entered this latest interglacial period. Regardless of humankind's effect on it, this planet will continue warm until all the glacial ice is gone. Personally, if I lived within a hundred miles of the coast, I’d sell and move further inland, and maybe start raising dragon flies to kill all the mosquitoes. or at least I would if I were thirty years younger. To show the stupidity of people, we have had a major uptick in the amount of the population of white tailed deer in Austin, because nobody wants to kill Bambi, but all of Bambi’s natural predators have been removed. People are beginning to find out that Bambi isn’t such a gentle beast when one comes bursting through their plate glass window, and starts wreaking havoc in their living room. But instead of killing and eating the things, these people want the beast to be gently captured and transported (by burning major amounts of fossil fuels) to areas of the country where their population can also get out of control and cause even worse problems.
See what you did SJJ, you got me all wound up. What was it that Karl said, politics is the THC of the masses (well at least for the left, for the right it's still religion, which of course makes sense since that is where you have your masses). Now there is a product that's improved over the last few decades. You know what they say, reality is for people who can't handle drugs, or in my case, afford them
This is nearly as dumb a topic as the Mayan calender one. BTW, did you know that the Mayan calendar is very close in structure to the Sumerian one, and of course the only person who gets wound up about the Sumerian one is Zecharia Sitchin, and since he is dead now...
deer's are people! Nah, don't really work!
dale
PS Hey Billy, when are we going get the TNC emoticon? I tried to draw one, but I'm just not a minimalist!
And so when two people want your service, you accept the one who can only pay half of your normal fee, rather than the one who could pay the full amount?
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Are you using fracking to mean the process of forcing sand into a formation that contains liquid, in an attempt to create space for the liquid to flow into, thus making it recoverable, or do you mean "frack" to kill ones superior officer because he is an idiot and will get you killed if you don't, so you create an incident of friendly fire during the next petrol when there is an exchange of fire with the enemy, as was often the practice for removing idiot 2nd lieutenants during the Vietnam "conflict".
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Thank you Billy. See there sri pissy pants, logic and deduction work quite well in the absence of "facts". "Facts", which are often corrupt because the researcher has a political ax to grind. Although in this case I will agree with the "facts" Billy found because it is supported by logic. The ax to grind was on the global warming side as it often is these days. This is especially true if what one is modeling is exceptionally complex, especially when not all the influences are known, or correctly accounted for in terms of how they affect the overall validity of the statistical model. I don't know one way or the other about global warming, except to say we do not have enough, good data from a long enough period to make any kind of deduction whatsoever (we don't even have enough to have a decent guess of all the influences that need to be included and given what weight). What I do know for certain is that whenever we have a massive volcanic eruption the global temperature decreases, it does not increase. Even with something as relatively simple as ozone depletion compared with global warming, which is at least on the level of an order of magnitude more complex, even the best statistical models of ozone depletion can account for less than 80% of what is causing the loss, and we do not know what the length of regeneration is within 150 years, and this goes up or down depending on how the rest of the data is manipulated in terms of what, and to what degree other factors are involved in depletion. To get close to the 80% mark the time to replenish the ozone has to be doubled (although it is pretty much a given that HFC's account for a majority of the loss, and this is backed by fairly firm science). To my mind it is much more a sure thing that that the heat generated as a by product of current technology, and the heat trapping and storing capabilities of concrete could represent a significant percentage of global warming, and yet most models do not even take these effects into account. Yet all one has to do is take a ride on a motorcycle from the city to the country and he will become aware of about a 7 to 8 degree (Fahrenheit) difference between the two places. Anyone who has ever taken a walk where there are areas with rock and not rock sections will easily notice a difference of around 3 to 4 degrees, and concrete is much more efficient at retaining heat than rock. One of the four people who coauthored "Synthesis of the Elements in Stars," in 1957 Margaret Burbidge is still alive, and the others have only died within the last 12 years, W. A. Fowler (1995), Geoffrey Burbidge (2010), and Fred Hoyle (2001). Even in the broad strokes our understanding about how the sun functions, as well as fluctuates is still very incomplete. It is only recently that we have stated to come to an understanding of the role of magnetic field lines in solar flares. The idea of plate tectonics was ridiculed until about a half century ago. We have no idea if Anaerobic bacteria role in past global warming events should be accounted for in our current models.
Is there Global warming? Yes, and there has been for the last 20,000 years since we entered this latest interglacial period. Regardless of humankind's effect on it, this planet will continue warm until all the glacial ice is gone. Personally, if I lived within a hundred miles of the coast, I’d sell and move further inland, and maybe start raising dragon flies to kill all the mosquitoes. or at least I would if I were thirty years younger. To show the stupidity of people, we have had a major uptick in the amount of the population of white tailed deer in Austin, because nobody wants to kill Bambi, but all of Bambi’s natural predators have been removed. People are beginning to find out that Bambi isn’t such a gentle beast when one comes bursting through their plate glass window, and starts wreaking havoc in their living room. But instead of killing and eating the things, these people want the beast to be gently captured and transported (by burning major amounts of fossil fuels) to areas of the country where their population can also get out of control and cause even worse problems.
See what you did SJJ, you got me all wound up. What was it that Karl said, politics is the THC of the masses (well at least for the left, for the right it's still religion, which of course makes sense since that is where you have your masses). Now there is a product that's improved over the last few decades. You know what they say, reality is for people who can't handle drugs, or in my case, afford them
This is nearly as dumb a topic as the Mayan calender one. BTW, did you know that the Mayan calendar is very close in structure to the Sumerian one, and of course the only person who gets wound up about the Sumerian one is Zecharia Sitchin, and since he is dead now...
deer's are people! Nah, don't really work!
dale
PS Hey Billy, when are we going get the TNC emoticon? I tried to draw one, but I'm just not a minimalist!
How long after picking up the brush, the first masterpiece?
The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.
The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.