Revelation
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(05-22-2012, 02:32 AM)Erthona Wrote:  effluence
noun
1.
the action or process of flowing out; efflux.
2.
something that flows out; emanation.

would you like emanation better. I was trying to avoid the "sighing breath" cliche. I was trying to get out the idea that when spirit flows out, even if raspy, it still sounds like a sigh because of the purity, and because it is not hindered by any type of egoism. This is an idea that Ginsburg came back to a lot, and recent conversations with Billy about the "on" has caused me to think about it again. It is a similar idea that I have struggled with in terms of éntheos having a god within, equivalent to en- en- + -thous, -theos god-possessing + -ia, and the idea that true art always is a reflection of some part of God/gods... The idea embodied in Gnosticism that creation is a emanation of the creator, see also Blake and "Vala" or "or The Four Zoas".
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However, I think I have been less than clear overall. Each line is suppose to be something one might experience when confronted by a real poem. I didn't think it was very good to begin with, although I think the idea is valid, I just haven't done it justice here.

Anyway, thanks for the comments,

Dale
Not unnaturally thrown off track by effluence. Being a brit it has a distinct connotation from the reverse derivation of effluent. So yes to emanation. I had to do a quick flick through my Ginsbergs to get a handle on which one yo were talking about but I still cannot locare any repeated ref to the outflowing of spirit. Help.
Interesting involvement of Gnostic(ism) as many and oft are the claims made for "entheos" by the use of psychoactive substances, primarily of fungus origin. Psilocybin from P.semilancata, mesculin (muscarine) from A.muscaria are tge commonest.....both can cause symptomatic illusory wisdom. Users often report that they had esoteric outpourings in which they felt the wisdom of god made man.
You lost me ,though, both in intent and in poetic endeavour(my failing)with the Gnostic ism definition when linked to the concept if entheos . My understanding has always been that the imperfection of the material ( real?) worldwas not god's fault or intent. We are talking christian here?
Best,
Tectak
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Messages In This Thread
Revelation - by Erthona - 05-21-2012, 07:05 PM
RE: Revelation - by tectak - 05-21-2012, 11:55 PM
RE: Revelation - by Erthona - 05-22-2012, 02:32 AM
RE: Revelation - by tectak - 05-22-2012, 03:49 PM
RE: Revelation - by Indie - 05-22-2012, 08:07 AM
RE: Revelation - by Erthona - 05-22-2012, 09:52 AM
RE: Revelation - by billy - 05-22-2012, 10:28 AM
RE: Revelation - by Erthona - 05-22-2012, 11:13 PM
RE: Revelation - by addy - 05-23-2012, 10:12 AM
RE: Revelation - by Leanne - 05-27-2012, 05:28 AM
RE: Revelation - by Arachne - 05-30-2012, 02:52 AM
RE: Revelation - by Erthona - 05-30-2012, 08:28 AM
RE: Revelation - by Erthona - 07-12-2012, 01:31 AM
RE: Revelation - by tectak - 07-12-2012, 04:27 AM
RE: Revelation - by Leanne - 07-12-2012, 04:33 AM
RE: Revelation - by Erthona - 07-12-2012, 11:00 AM



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