03-08-2012, 11:54 AM
personally i think the guidelines are spot on.
no matter what a site does, it will never be able to call forth into giving feedback, those who do not wish to give feedback. and equally so, it will never stop those of the thinner skinned taking umbridge at the feedback they get if they don't agree with it. we can do almost any and everything to accommodate those with the will to work (for want of a better word) but we can't change how they think or feel, that's an acquired skill that only comes through time and sticking the course; what ever that course may be. in a half decent poetry group the course (beside writing poetry) is to learn how to give and receive feedback without slitting a wrist and bleeding out. i understand some aren't into the feedback think or simply enjoy the reading of poetry and crit given etc. that's a good thing i think. but for those who wish to improve, if only by a small amount; they have to be able to take and understand what critique or feedback is or isn't all about.
it's isn't about us laying down the law to them. it's about us saying what it does for us the reader and how we think it makes us feel that way. it's about them reading what was said and then deciding what if any of it to use. it's about honesty and (as far as i'm concerned) kindness.
for instance; we don't say "that's a shite piece of poetry" we say. the poem doesn't work for me here and here because...we say this part works for me because.... we say the poem has poetential if you can sort out this or these few lines to make it....
they should say; thanks for taking the time to read, i'll see if anything you said is something i could use in an edit, they should say; (to themselves) mmm 6 people have mentioned something being the same problem in their reading of the thing, perhaps i should look at that part more closely and try to understand why they're having trouble.
they should say; (to themselves) i don't agree wit that but i'll say thank you anyway because of the time and effort they obviously put into it.
they should say to themselves before posting; am i ready and able to take take the kind of crit and feedback i see being regularly used in the serious, or mild critique forum.
we should say; (to ourselves) i'll adjust my feedback because i can see from his work he should really be posting in a lower forum. if it persists i'll send him a polite pm to explain why i'm not ripping the poem a new arse-hole and that i'm there should they require any mentoring.
what we or they should never say is; Fuck it, i'm off, this is just too much.
alas we can never stop they from saying; Fuck it, i'm off, this is just too much.
should they be of that mind. jmo
no matter what a site does, it will never be able to call forth into giving feedback, those who do not wish to give feedback. and equally so, it will never stop those of the thinner skinned taking umbridge at the feedback they get if they don't agree with it. we can do almost any and everything to accommodate those with the will to work (for want of a better word) but we can't change how they think or feel, that's an acquired skill that only comes through time and sticking the course; what ever that course may be. in a half decent poetry group the course (beside writing poetry) is to learn how to give and receive feedback without slitting a wrist and bleeding out. i understand some aren't into the feedback think or simply enjoy the reading of poetry and crit given etc. that's a good thing i think. but for those who wish to improve, if only by a small amount; they have to be able to take and understand what critique or feedback is or isn't all about.
it's isn't about us laying down the law to them. it's about us saying what it does for us the reader and how we think it makes us feel that way. it's about them reading what was said and then deciding what if any of it to use. it's about honesty and (as far as i'm concerned) kindness.
for instance; we don't say "that's a shite piece of poetry" we say. the poem doesn't work for me here and here because...we say this part works for me because.... we say the poem has poetential if you can sort out this or these few lines to make it....
they should say; thanks for taking the time to read, i'll see if anything you said is something i could use in an edit, they should say; (to themselves) mmm 6 people have mentioned something being the same problem in their reading of the thing, perhaps i should look at that part more closely and try to understand why they're having trouble.
they should say; (to themselves) i don't agree wit that but i'll say thank you anyway because of the time and effort they obviously put into it.
they should say to themselves before posting; am i ready and able to take take the kind of crit and feedback i see being regularly used in the serious, or mild critique forum.
we should say; (to ourselves) i'll adjust my feedback because i can see from his work he should really be posting in a lower forum. if it persists i'll send him a polite pm to explain why i'm not ripping the poem a new arse-hole and that i'm there should they require any mentoring.
what we or they should never say is; Fuck it, i'm off, this is just too much.
alas we can never stop they from saying; Fuck it, i'm off, this is just too much.
should they be of that mind. jmo