evidence of jesus christ.
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(08-26-2011, 11:19 AM)addy Wrote:  No concrete physical evidence that a certain Jesus H. Christ, son of God, existed during that time... just many, many accounts of varying thoroughness, with small details that passably match the time and place the accounts claim Jesus lived in (In other words, the bible text is pretty much its own evidence). To be fair, back in those days if you weren't a king or at least someone loosely associated with a political heavyweight, chances are there'd be no historical evidence of your existence, either. Keep in mind that Jesus only got really famous after he was dead.

Even if we did find evidence of a historical Jesus, would that evidence prove he was God? It wouldn't. That's really the dichotomy of the church's message... on the one hand, we have divine relics and stuff like shroud of turin, but on the other hand the overarching message is that there will never be unquestionable PROOF because that's not how faith works.
The evidence for a historical Jesus, i.e. Rabbi Yeshua ben Yoseph, exists. Jesus is a Greek word meaning something akin to 'healer' and is more like a title that was universally adopted. Christ is also a title meaning Messiah. He was not born of a virgin (mistranslation that the Catholic church finally owned up to last year) or ascend - he did however continue to heal and teach what could be considered Kabbalah. For the record, according to Deuteronomy death by hanging from a tree (crucifixion) is a curse and would automatically negate a messianic claim. So does birth by a virgin - which is not only not prophecy regarding the messiah, but in direct opposition to Judaic law - virginity is not a blessed state, it is one of incompleteness. According to the TANAKH (Hebrew scriptures the Old Testament is taken from) in order to be Moshiac (Messiah) all prophecy and laws must be fulfilled. He was not God incarnate, or God with skin - denominations who refer to Jesus as God have problems, for lack of desire to go into a long winded theological debate.
Also - and I realize this is erroneous information, but it is a pet peeve of mine - the word Jehovah is NOT a Hebrew name of God and did NOT stem from the Jewish Pietist movement. It is a blatant mistranslation of the Tetragrammaton and literally has no meaning, so congregations who pray to Jehovah are praying to nothing whatsoever.

As far as no records being kept except for kings: Jews kept meticulous records, specifically regarding the Tribe of David, The Kohanim, and The Levites. The Tribe of David because Moshiac is supposed to come directly from his line, The Kohanim, because they were the High Priests and still have special duties in Temple today, and The Levites because they assisted The Kohanim.

PS. If you can, try your hand at giving some of the others a bit of feedback. If you already have, thanks, can you do some more?
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evidence of jesus christ. - by billy - 08-25-2011, 10:52 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Todd - 08-25-2011, 11:01 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by billy - 08-25-2011, 02:04 PM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Touchstone - 08-25-2011, 09:05 PM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Leanne - 08-26-2011, 05:14 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by billy - 08-26-2011, 06:00 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Touchstone - 08-26-2011, 07:15 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by billy - 08-26-2011, 11:40 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Aish - 08-26-2011, 08:42 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Leanne - 08-26-2011, 08:52 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Aish - 08-26-2011, 10:13 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by addy - 08-26-2011, 11:19 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Aish - 08-26-2011, 02:16 PM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by addy - 08-26-2011, 04:03 PM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by billy - 08-26-2011, 05:06 PM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Aish - 08-30-2011, 03:12 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Leanne - 08-30-2011, 09:24 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Aish - 08-30-2011, 09:35 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Aish - 09-01-2011, 10:04 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by billy - 09-01-2011, 11:40 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Aish - 09-15-2011, 03:50 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Wildcard - 09-15-2011, 05:42 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Leanne - 09-16-2011, 09:22 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Aish - 09-15-2011, 06:14 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Wildcard - 09-15-2011, 06:59 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Aish - 09-15-2011, 08:00 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Wildcard - 09-16-2011, 09:34 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Leanne - 09-16-2011, 09:37 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Wildcard - 09-16-2011, 09:54 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Leanne - 09-16-2011, 09:56 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Wildcard - 09-16-2011, 10:05 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Leanne - 09-16-2011, 10:15 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Wildcard - 09-16-2011, 10:19 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by Leanne - 09-16-2011, 10:24 AM
RE: evidence of jesus christ. - by billy - 09-19-2011, 10:19 AM



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