08-12-2011, 03:13 PM
Kids should always be allowed to ask questions - teachers can be put in some really sticky situations with large implications. Ask a direct question, give a direct answer - sounds simple, but people get fired for using their own judgement and sometimes prosecuted. This topic has so many nuances and shades of gray it is maddening. Should a teacher have to turn a student away? No. Should they say homosexuality doesn't exist? NO. But someobody's toes are always gonna get stepped on.
"I do think kids at a certain age need to know the ins and outs (pardon the pun) of sex and what the problems are should you engage in it before your fully equipped to do so. gay or otherwise. " I agree with this, I do - but to me the sex ed debate is no different that the debate over distributing condoms and birth control pills at school - school officials cite pregnancy and disease rates (scary to be sure), and some parents want it but the ones who don't, the ones who prefer to educate their kids on such subjects themselves, get ostracized. It leads into the debate about when kids have a right to sex. We all come to a point where we make that decision for ourselves - but when some people get a hold of it it becomes ridiculous. Years ago when I was living in The Bay Area a man (like a 26 year old MAN) was receiving free legal representation and defense based on 'a child's right to sex' for sleeping with a 12 year old. That is pedophilia, not a child's right to sex. Had that child (and yes I do consider 12 year olds children) decided to have sex with another 12 year old I would have shook my head and been dismayed - but to be talked into by an adult disgusts me.
I was having sex as a teenager - I have a grown son to prove it - my school handed out condoms and birth control like candy. My school counselor encouraged me to have an abortion. In CA it would have been legal for me to have an abortion without notifying my parents. The argument can be made, well what about kids who can't tell their parents - TRUST ME, my parents did not have a good reaction. Even then I thought it was wrong I could have a major surgery that could make me sterile or possibly kill me, end the life of a child I conceived, and not have to tell my parents. Society sends really messed up mixed messages - we tell our kids they are grown up enough to have sex (which our bodies and hormones are built for) then tell them they aren't mature yet. And most of them really aren't.
to some extent I feel like we are being manipulated into believing that these things are all for the greater good, when it just creates more problems.
"For myself, I don't believe sex should ever be mixed up in morality or religion. For too long, shame and damnation have been the tools of choice against the autonomy of the body physical (especially for women). " HELL YES!!!!
But - that is rarely the case. I have tried to teach my kids to respect themselves - that sex is natural and their bodies are their own - but I really don't wish to see them treating it like a garbage dump either.
Have I just dove over again?
It was interesting, and taught various forms of what is considered a family - including homosexuality and commune living. They didn't go into specifics of how to do it, though. Like there wasn't instruction on how to set up an orgy
"I do think kids at a certain age need to know the ins and outs (pardon the pun) of sex and what the problems are should you engage in it before your fully equipped to do so. gay or otherwise. " I agree with this, I do - but to me the sex ed debate is no different that the debate over distributing condoms and birth control pills at school - school officials cite pregnancy and disease rates (scary to be sure), and some parents want it but the ones who don't, the ones who prefer to educate their kids on such subjects themselves, get ostracized. It leads into the debate about when kids have a right to sex. We all come to a point where we make that decision for ourselves - but when some people get a hold of it it becomes ridiculous. Years ago when I was living in The Bay Area a man (like a 26 year old MAN) was receiving free legal representation and defense based on 'a child's right to sex' for sleeping with a 12 year old. That is pedophilia, not a child's right to sex. Had that child (and yes I do consider 12 year olds children) decided to have sex with another 12 year old I would have shook my head and been dismayed - but to be talked into by an adult disgusts me.
I was having sex as a teenager - I have a grown son to prove it - my school handed out condoms and birth control like candy. My school counselor encouraged me to have an abortion. In CA it would have been legal for me to have an abortion without notifying my parents. The argument can be made, well what about kids who can't tell their parents - TRUST ME, my parents did not have a good reaction. Even then I thought it was wrong I could have a major surgery that could make me sterile or possibly kill me, end the life of a child I conceived, and not have to tell my parents. Society sends really messed up mixed messages - we tell our kids they are grown up enough to have sex (which our bodies and hormones are built for) then tell them they aren't mature yet. And most of them really aren't.
to some extent I feel like we are being manipulated into believing that these things are all for the greater good, when it just creates more problems.
"For myself, I don't believe sex should ever be mixed up in morality or religion. For too long, shame and damnation have been the tools of choice against the autonomy of the body physical (especially for women). " HELL YES!!!!
But - that is rarely the case. I have tried to teach my kids to respect themselves - that sex is natural and their bodies are their own - but I really don't wish to see them treating it like a garbage dump either.
Have I just dove over again?
(08-12-2011, 03:13 PM)Aish Wrote: Kids should always be allowed to ask questions - teachers can be put in some really sticky situations with large implications. Ask a direct question, give a direct answer - sounds simple, but people get fired for using their own judgement and sometimes prosecuted. This topic has so many nuances and shades of gray it is maddening. Should a teacher have to turn a student away? No. Should they say homosexuality doesn't exist? NO. But someobody's toes are always gonna get stepped on.My high school had a "Marriage and Family Living" class.
"I do think kids at a certain age need to know the ins and outs (pardon the pun) of sex and what the problems are should you engage in it before your fully equipped to do so. gay or otherwise. " I agree with this, I do - but to me the sex ed debate is no different that the debate over distributing condoms and birth control pills at school - school officials cite pregnancy and disease rates (scary to be sure), and some parents want it but the ones who don't, the ones who prefer to educate their kids on such subjects themselves, get ostracized. It leads into the debate about when kids have a right to sex. We all come to a point where we make that decision for ourselves - but when some people get a hold of it it becomes ridiculous. Years ago when I was living in The Bay Area a man (like a 26 year old MAN) was receiving free legal representation and defense based on 'a child's right to sex' for sleeping with a 12 year old. That is pedophilia, not a child's right to sex. Had that child (and yes I do consider 12 year olds children) decided to have sex with another 12 year old I would have shook my head and been dismayed - but to be talked into by an adult disgusts me.
I was having sex as a teenager - I have a grown son to prove it - my school handed out condoms and birth control like candy. My school counselor encouraged me to have an abortion. In CA it would have been legal for me to have an abortion without notifying my parents. The argument can be made, well what about kids who can't tell their parents - TRUST ME, my parents did not have a good reaction. Even then I thought it was wrong I could have a major surgery that could make me sterile or possibly kill me, end the life of a child I conceived, and not have to tell my parents. Society sends really messed up mixed messages - we tell our kids they are grown up enough to have sex (which our bodies and hormones are built for) then tell them they aren't mature yet. And most of them really aren't.
to some extent I feel like we are being manipulated into believing that these things are all for the greater good, when it just creates more problems.
"For myself, I don't believe sex should ever be mixed up in morality or religion. For too long, shame and damnation have been the tools of choice against the autonomy of the body physical (especially for women). " HELL YES!!!!
But - that is rarely the case. I have tried to teach my kids to respect themselves - that sex is natural and their bodies are their own - but I really don't wish to see them treating it like a garbage dump either.
Have I just dove over again?
It was interesting, and taught various forms of what is considered a family - including homosexuality and commune living. They didn't go into specifics of how to do it, though. Like there wasn't instruction on how to set up an orgy
PS. If you can, try your hand at giving some of the others a bit of feedback. If you already have, thanks, can you do some more?