(07-11-2011, 12:59 AM)Heslopian Wrote: Hang on a second, in my last post I said you have no sympathy for those who've been traumatised into not knowing the difference between right or wrong. You're now agreeing with that while also saying: "but being traumatized doesn't negate the fact they know whats right from wrong." You're blatantly contradicting yourself. And yes I did call them monsters, because they are, but that doesn't mean I can't pity them. Again, I'm not talking about forgiveness, I'm talking about pity.i said i had no pity for those who commit crimes.
my pity goes to those who don't commit crimes and then shout woe the fuck is me.Quote:I'm not saying they shouldn't go to prison. At what point did I say such a thing Billy? Don't twist my words. Killers and rapists should be locked away for as long as is possible to condone based on the nature of their crimes. Why does everything have to be so black and white with you? For the umpteenth time, I'm not talking about forgiveness, I'm talking about pity. The two aren't mutually exclusive. And how do you know a lot of our current lifers didn't seek help before committing their crimes? The man who shot John Lennon did. He repeatedly sought help for mental disorders and even tried helping others. I'm not saying he should be forgiven - what he did was unforgivable - but I think he deserves a degree of pity.
you say don't twist your words? i didn't jack i stated a fact relating to and reinforcing my opinion. the reinforcement is; if they people have been to court once and been spanked, they know what they did was wrong, if people see that some goes to jail for a crime they want to emulate, they know it's wrong. and again i say i have no pity for those who break the law and use child abuse as an excuse. (unless they're mentally insane, which isn't often the case )
Quote:on your point about life taking...sorry but i feel that if all parents feel the way you said you would then as parents we have a right to demand certain sentences, such as torture and death or torturing to death in some cases. i have pity for those who deserve it, people who live through abuse, often damaged in some way but prepared to stop the cycle non the less.
If someone carved up my daughter, defiled my mother, laid my son across train tracks or whatever else of course I'd want them tortured. I'd want them to suffer in complete agony until the end of time. But I'd expect someone to hold me back and remind me that such punishment can't be dealt out in a fair and just 21st century society, where nobody has the right to cause pain for pleasure.