The Effect of Childhood

[heslopian]

yes, but being traumatized doesn't negate the fact they know whats right from wrong.
and sadly no, i have no pity for any of them who murder kids or rape old people.
i'd have pity for them if the go for help before committing such crimes. but the opening post was about such monsters who commit such crimes. you yourself called them monsters

Hang on a second, in my last post I said you have no sympathy for those who've been traumatised into not knowing the difference between right or wrong. You're now agreeing with that while also saying: "but being traumatized doesn't negate the fact they know whats right from wrong." You're blatantly contradicting yourself. And yes I did call them monsters, because they are, but that doesn't mean I can't pity them. Again, I'm not talking about forgiveness, I'm talking about pity.

kleptomania is a medical condition, yet people should still go to prison if the steal often enough. my point is, that after a few times, they should realize that if they go into shops they'll steal. they know this yet still go into shops. i have no sympathy for them. society tells us in big broad strokes of law what is and isn't proper. while we may disagree with some of them, should i break them and go to prison it would be on my own head. a sociopath knows of most laws, specially ones like don't rape, don't kill, don't molest kids. that he disregards them because he thinks himself above the law and society, to me is not an excuse. he does know that if he gets caught killing, raoping, molesting etc he'll go to prison for life. same with the psychopath, manson knew exactly which laws he was breaking, so did the austrian guy, that they may have been molested as kids is irrelevant

I'm not saying they shouldn't go to prison. At what point did I say such a thing Billy? Don't twist my words. Killers and rapists should be locked away for as long as is possible to condone based on the nature of their crimes. Why does everything have to be so black and white with you? For the umpteenth time, I'm not talking about forgiveness, I'm talking about pity. The two aren't mutually exclusive. And how do you know a lot of our current lifers didn't seek help before committing their crimes? The man who shot John Lennon did. He repeatedly sought help for mental disorders and even tried helping others. I'm not saying he should be forgiven - what he did was unforgivable - but I think he deserves a degree of pity.

on your point about life taking...would you feel the same if some extremist islamists stoned your family to death?
would you feel the same if the uk were invaded, if pakistani dissidents dropped a nuke on it. if someone carved your daughter up after buggering her. if someone shove big fuck off batteries up you young sons arse after defiling him then putting him across a train track in order to destroy the evidence or for fun, maybe you wouldn't want to kill the guilty but me, i'm not that nice, i'd want them dead, in the case of killing my child in such a horrific way i'd want to rip him apart very slowly.

If someone carved up my daughter, defiled my mother, laid my son across train tracks or whatever else of course I'd want them tortured. I'd want them to suffer in complete agony until the end of time. But I'd expect someone to hold me back and remind me that such punishment can't be dealt out in a fair and just 21st century society, where nobody has the right to cause pain for pleasure.