wikileaks

[billy]

yes,everybody is always yelling at the chinese about freedom of press etc.[and they're right ofcourse]give them half a chance and the big boys around the world do the same,cutting off funds from assange is def.a form of censorship.

i don't agree with you that it is all unimportant gossip in those cables,yes ofcourse we new it all but now it's on paper they can't deny it anymore

i thini said 'mainly unimportant gossip if i didn't thats what i meant
and again why should they deny most of it. what is there to actually deny? that they collect info on foreign govs? that they talk about people?

vf said I prefer to live in a world where Google, thepiratebay, Wikipedia, Wikileaks, etc. all can exist.
We are a better world for having such resources than we would be not having them.

i agree but i believe assange and co and especially the ddos boys have taken us a step closer to orwell's 1984 in respect to the internet.
the trouble with pushing the boundaries is that those on the the other of the boundary you're pushing are often much better at it.

don't for a minute think business wouldn't like to see the pc used just for purchasing. they'll agree to any measures that stops things eating into there bottom lines. the selling infrastructure is already up for them.

all the gov has to do is make sure any ip address that isn't attached to a verifiable address is turned off. they have the power to make isp's do all the work. they could turn the net into 1984 and no one would actually do anything about it. sometimes the actions of the few can set in motion consequences no one can envisage. i guarantee you in time most people will turn against assange and possibly wiki. as more info comes out more will turn.

they just told of the possibility n korea helping Myanmar to build nukes.

if they were indeed doing that they've almost certainly moved there operations as we speak, making it harder to be evaluated. while we have a lot of pirates in the world and a lot who support wiki. it will be a drop in the ocean compared to those who will want it and other sites closed down. than those who want more and more regulations to control the net. sometimes the price may be too high a price to pay. for what scant worthwhile info that's been disseminated so far should such regulations come into being the price would definitely be to high.

the ddos attackers who attacked in wiki's name. who are they hurting when they ddos card companies? certainly not the card company. the man in the street maybe but not those who hold the real money.

after reading everything i think wikileaks took the wrong route in doing it publicly as they did. they were def wrong to use assange as their spokeswoman. they could have achieved the same results by going the torrent route. just my opinion of course.