05-25-2022, 11:03 PM
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I regard the argument that onanism is murder if abortion is murder to be a straw man at best. Women also involuntarily expel ova, though on a more regular basis than wet dreams.
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So they must try their utmost to get impregnated every month
You have provided no justification for why a fertilised ovum is human. It may be the 'maximalist position' of a group, but then again, the 'maximalist position' of the flat earth society is that the earth is not only flat, but also supported by turtles. It has no bearing on the truth.
Ironically, all ancient cultures, including that of the Greeks, viewed abortion is perfectly normal.
It's only the poor and poorly educated Christian lobby that has an issue with it. Because it's one of those issues where they can appear to be intelligent by putting forward what they think are sophisticated arguments.
I regard the argument that onanism is murder if abortion is murder to be a straw man at best. Women also involuntarily expel ova, though on a more regular basis than wet dreams.
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So they must try their utmost to get impregnated every month
Quote:The maximalist uneducated anti-abortion position is that life begins at conception, i.e. when the ovum is fertilizedSee correction
Quote:But that doesn't detract from the humanity of the fertilized ovum,Now this is mumbo-jumbo. A fertilised ovum is as arbitrarily "human" as its constituent sex cells.
You have provided no justification for why a fertilised ovum is human. It may be the 'maximalist position' of a group, but then again, the 'maximalist position' of the flat earth society is that the earth is not only flat, but also supported by turtles. It has no bearing on the truth.
Quote:or the consequent responsibility of his/her parents for it, or even the responsibility of others to avoid harming him/her before it's brought to term.once a castle is made in the air, it doesn't matter how many storeys you want to add to it
Quote:The Hippocratic Oath recognizes this responsibility; an abortionist is no doctor.[/p.s.]A wanker is a murderer
Ironically, all ancient cultures, including that of the Greeks, viewed abortion is perfectly normal.
It's only the poor and poorly educated Christian lobby that has an issue with it. Because it's one of those issues where they can appear to be intelligent by putting forward what they think are sophisticated arguments.
(05-25-2022, 08:07 AM)dukealien Wrote: @busker - Thanks for the read. You make, perhaps unintentionally, my point here - that we are now moved, inescapably, back to making actual moral arguments instead of pretending some fifty year-old legalese mumbo-jumbo could take their place and make them unnecessary.I'd take the 50 year old mumbo jumbo over the 'considered' legal opinion of a bunch of wankers who think that a dead rabble rouser who his illiterate followers believe came back to life over 2,000 years ago, is the literal son of god and shall return sitting on some brightly lit clouds. Anyone who subscribes to such a primitive notion of reality is not fit to judge even a beauty contest.

